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SAAB OFFERS WORLD CLASS SENSOR PACKAGE FOR INDIAN TEJAS LCA

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Agent_47, Apr 4, 2017.

  1. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Do you know that multiple missiles can be hanged on a hand point on rack? Mk2 shall have 5 ton weight carrying at a minimum. It can carry as much A to A missiles as it wants and it can carry other payload as well. You are saying this for many years and I have replied you on multiple forums.
     
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  2. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    MTOW 16.5 ton for AF version.

    Wing area increase and twin pylons.
     
  3. Dagger

    Dagger 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The Tejas could also carry multiple A2A missiles in one weapon station, similar to the Rafale above.
    And it has never been touted as a strike platform. Its always been planned as a point defence interceptor. I believe we have enough mki, raf orders,even jags and m2000. If you see it lacking ability to perform point defence like loiter ability, performance, takeoff ability from roads, roadside maintenance etc., then there can be a discussion.
    Why expect a defender to score goals?
     
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  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Only if there is enough space and the pylon is cleared for enough loads. If at all you can add an additional WVR missile at the outing station, but that adds drag and doesn't solve the BVR issue.

    You keep replying the same thing, because you ignore that the number of weapon stations will remain the same.
    In A2A config it should be obvious for you to understand:

    MK1 - 3500KG payload / 7 weaponstations

    1 fuel tank at the centerline
    4 x BVR missiles at the inner and mid wingstations
    2 x WVR missiles


    MK2 - 5000KG payload / 7 weaponstations

    1 fuel tank at the centerline
    4 x BVR missiles at the inner and mid wingstations
    2 x WVR missiles


    Payload increase only means that the MK2 can carry a 3rd LGB at the centerline, but still won't have free weaponstations for BVR missiles.
     
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  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Wingarea will be increased because of the increased width of the fuselage. The rest of the wings and sadly the weaponstations will remain the same.
    The same is the case for Gripe E, because the gearbay was redesigned into the wings, while the wingstations will remain the same, but they had a very innovative solution for the fuselage, which makes a crucial difference
     
  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    LCA can carry two 1000lb bombs each on the inner pylons using Jaguar's bomb carrier. with 2xBVRAAMs and 2xWVRAAMs with a D/T on centreline pylon.
     
  7. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    It can and hopefully will carry twin pylons with similar 250Kg strike weapons, but that would still be at the same midwing weaponstation which leaves none free for BVR missiles.

    Which is perfectly fine for me! I am more than happy with if it's good enough for interception and CAS roles, but sadly people tend to make more out of it, than it was designed for and than it will be able to deliver. It can be a good low end IAF fighter and we should be happy and proud if it reaches that point, but not dream about it being equal to MMRCAs or even MKI as Hariprasad suggested. That's simply not realistic and not even wanted by IAF.
     
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  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Dumb bombs, with LGBs both can carry just 2 at each mid wingstations.
     
  9. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    [​IMG]

    Brazil btw has chosen IR MAWS from Elbit, over the UV once from Saab.

    In any case, the Gripe E EW will be impressive as it seems and pretty much on par with SPECTRA F3R in terms of capabilities.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Actually this pales in comparison to Typhoon has. They are now claiming ESM/ECM from 100Mhz to 18Ghz with ability to jam even the data links.
     
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  11. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Not sure about the frequencies, but with GaN modules in the RWR and jammers, passive MAWS and even active EM decoys available first, they hardly seem to trail behind. In fact the EF EWS was rated last in the Swiss evaluations and even back then Gripen was close to Rafale in this field.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Leonardo systems has now even developed the cross-eye jamming for DASS. The latest upgrades have taken far ahead compared to Gripen-E.
     
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    Whole world is offering them something or the other like Fighters, latest radars, some waiting for engines order for LCA from sweden(SAAB), US( Boeing LCA Engines), Rafale France offering inputs on kaveri engine but our planners are unable do decide anything for mega delayed mega late LCA :slowride:
     
  14. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Leonardo is offering plenty of systems for the Gripen and the EF EW upgrades will come only around 2021.
     
  15. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    It's great to have these options if necessary, but in case of EW it would be disappointing if we go with a foreign suit, since that's one area where we saw some good progress in indigenous developments.
     
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