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Safran Offers to Co-Develop Combat Aircraft Engine with DRDO

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by Agent_47, May 17, 2017.

  1. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    That is because of the clauses of the deal signed between the two govt. to get the share of the work. But that encourages various pvt. companies and suppliers to emerge to create various products such as VEM Electronics to create the Seeker.

    As far as the Pakistani missile are concerned, its an industrial deal where the Pakistani Army gets the product, disguised as the indegenously developed but in reality the tech. transfer for the manufacturing, tooling, critical components and all its IPR held by the originals. Thus foriegn currency going to the original minus the manufacturing workshare.
     
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    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    You are missing the point, that in this global world, and remove the label of the biggest importer, you need to think strategically and European weapon manufactures are good examples to study.
     
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    Its a common part in the competitive environment, after all they too need to survive.

    JV to create the new engine, not selling the engine.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Where are you going with this?

    We already make dozens of aero engines in India. For HSTF-25 Bangalore based DMLS makes 30% of parts. So, this analogy is already done. Next part should fully Indian engine.

    Stick to the topic.
     
  5. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Indian Engines are no where close to compete in the Global world against the Giants.

    What I am suggesting you is to completely change the Aero industry in the country, and HAL could become the leading Aerospace company.
     
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    Luttapi 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The objective of snegma is to sell M 88. The core of raffelle and Kaveri is same and they won't share. Only 4 + now China has jet technology and nobody is sharing. U buy M88 meanwhile we will help that is the option.
     
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    I think there are two seperate projects in works with France. One of them is already signed, thats the one with Kaveri engine upgrade. Expect progress by and of 2018.
    Second contract being negotiated is for AMCA engine.
     
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    Present m88 engine don't have sufficient thrust for the combat LCA or AMCA.

    Yes every OEM objective is to sell their products and that should be, however this could be utilized by forming a new firm in the form of JV. You see Safron is not manufacturing the alloys, rather they are importing from some other OEM, in which they have the IPR aka they invested in the research, so that could not be sold to others without their consent. But when you create a JV, that group will hold all the IPRs, and the technology which is you are talking is the researches and the manufacturing technique and process, softwares used in the design and developments, and the high precision machines.

    Do you think that Gripen is manufactured by SAAB. Sir Saab creates a JV entity names IG JAS, "JAS Industry Group, in which SAAB is playing the role of Integrator and also marketed by them. That's why they were able to produce, test, and developed them so quickly. Take one example for the integration and testing for the Aerial refuel probe, they make the deal with the British Aerospace ltd and made it done, with involves so much risk, and effort. For designing software, rather than creating their own software, they directly purchased the Dassault, that saves lot of time.

    HAL lags behind others defence manufacturing group is due to the fact, that they are lagging in the Civil aviation products, and you cannot make them top of the notch with just military application products. So without HAL starts venturing into the civil/military sector such as Regional public transport, transportation aircraft and start becoming an Integrator rather than Eklo Chalo and doing all by themself, it could never become the Aero industry like the SAAB, LM, Boeing etc, nor the PVT firms are going to grow.

    What are you missing is that the JV company in which india too will have 50% share would have a good future prospects for the AMCA, Rafale midlife upgrades for france, india and global, nueron UAVs, Ghatak, LCA, LSA, and civil aviation sector. Don't think, that it will be for just one engine, rather the series of many engines, including the Safran-GTRE Kaveri variants, and then the Integrator like HAL and @vstol jockey for LSA can choose as per their requirement, otherwise go for import alternative.
     
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    Yes only two meeting with Snerma and GTRE for the consultation of the problem related to extra vibration. Their consultancy may be needed for the modular design of the engine derived from the project Kaveri. I think the K9+ will go for the project Ghatak, and LCA Lift cum trainer and K10+ for the combat LCA with the Kabini core.

    Second contract could be for the AMCA powerplant with new core derived from the m88 core. Interesting Eurojet too have given such proposal and both of them are manufacturing engine which is highly Modular.
     
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    Contract with the French is a full blown JV now. Snecma is going to invest 1 billion pounds to make Kaveri a success.

    Apart from this India and Rolls Royce are working on a completely new highly efficient engine. This news was spread by none other than Defence minister of England. By the way Rolls Royce is in serious political and financial trouble and they see India as their way out.

    So India's DRDO n GTRE are involved in multiple jet engines projects.

    For Ghatak, ALL CRITICAL TECH will be built at home, I'm gonna expect a totally new engine based on what we will get out of recent engine projects.
     
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    how is it exactly similar when he says "complete autonomy"?
     

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