Second Scorpene class submarine to be launched on January 12

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    months.
    MDL had promised one sub every 9 months.
     
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    Great snaps. Any body having idea regarding the HWT that this subs would be equipped with?
    Some say it would be black shark or F 21. No concrete news even when second boat is launched.
     
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    Great pictures @Gessler ! I have a question, How will the absence of AIP affect these subs, how effective or ineffective would this be to IN? Can the Gurus here throw some light on this please @vstol jockey @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy :undecided:
     
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    AIP extends the underwater endurance of the sub, by complimenting the diesel-electric engines. The length of extension depends on usage - at very slow speeds (4-5kt), it can last longer. At higher speeds (around 15kt), the endurance will be less.

    So in layman's terms, it's useful for lurking/probing the enemy at your own pace. Not for pursuits, escort or evasion.
     
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    It will definitely affect its endurance and mission capability. But they will eventually receive an AIP during a refit, which is a few years away unfortunately. Post 2020 could be a very optimistic timeline I guess. But remember, our western neighbour is not too far and maybe we can afford to ignore AIP for a while since we have no intention to head to our eastern neighbour's shores anytime soon.

    Good Day!
     
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    An AIP refit will be a very costly & time-consuming procedure. As you actually have to cut open the pressure hull to install the module - it will change the CoG, displacement & a lot of other values.

    I doubt any IN Scorpene, once built & commissioned, will receive an AIP upgrade as an MLU. If we want the AIP, it has to be incorporated during construction itself.

    And AIP or no AIP makes no difference if we want to tackle PLAN in it's own shores in any sustainable manner. SSNs will be needed for that.
     
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    I Agree with everything but these scorpenes will end up getting AIP eventually I believe since its IN.

    Good Day!
     
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    The IN is working on a next generation of destroyers (P-18?) but I hope in the interim they place an order for another 4+ P-15Bs (/P-16Cs with some minor improvements) to keep the production line running clearly MDL has taken a HUGE step foreward with with the P-15Bs in terms of production capacity (P-15As took 10 years to produce, the P-15Bs will take barely 5). It would be a real waste to throw this progress away and MDL should be rewarded with more orders for the class especially with the IN facing the need to expand rapidly.

    It is a real real shame the intial P-15B order was for just 4 vessels, it should easily have been 7. The IN needs to stop making such limited orders (3/4/6 unit batches), it slows down induction rates and increases costs.


    @PARIKRAMA @R!CK @Ankit Kumar 001 @Agent_47

    Didn't I see someone mention some more P-15Bs were to be ordered?
     
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    Now MDL are up and running with the Scorpenes it would be a real tragedy to throw away the expertise and immense resources that have been poured in, this line should be kept humming with orders for at least anothe 5-6 years (another 6-9 vessels) which the IN would greatly benefit from with their present sub fleet in decline.

    It would be criminal at this point to not fully leverage the investments that have been made at MDL and to cap the figure at just 6.

    @Ankit Kumar 001 @Agent_47 @PARIKRAMA
     
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    The number " 2" has been doing few rounds. So it should be a minimum of "6" P15B.
     
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    If the report regarding leaks submitted to MoD is fine [which it should be considering the 2nd submarine was launched as per schedule without more delays] , then atleast 6+6 P75I would be in service , which also coincides with the original submarine build ing program of having 12 submarines each from two production lines.

    Also news is , the 3rd Scorpene would be replacing the 1st Type 209 , which would likely be sent to SBC for conversion to a test platform for AIP and SLCMs.
     
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    I think India should offer P15 b to friendly countries to keep the production line running.
     
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    Bro, P16 is the Godavari class. Also I don't think any private yard in India have capabilities to build warships as advanced as destroyers.

    I heard somewhere that the next generation of destroyers might be based on enlarged P17 hull @Gessler Any info on that one ?

    Who would buy it ? Not many countries operate Destroyers this big. But some of them would buy 3000 tonne frigates from the UK & call them destroyers :lol: You know, Tariq class 'destroyer'.

    I think the best bet would be a frigate based on Kamorta hull, like the one that was offered to Philippines.
     
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