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Seculars threaten to kill 100 crore hindus

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Anish, Dec 31, 2012.

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  1. Foxtrot

    Foxtrot Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    the problem is my inferior brain......i fail to understand what are the benefits India is having due to its vast diversity.....whereas on the other I hear these kind of hate speeches of killing hindus. Will u plz explain how we r benefitting from our vast diversity.
     
  2. Himanshu Pandey

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    unity in diversity doesn't mean corruption or fool leaders and ministers.... it is much holy and bigger thing... it means we have different opinion but we respect each other and their opinion and lats try to create a common from this... its like having a family where everybody is different but still love and care for each other
     
  3. Foxtrot

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    Highly idealistic......present real world scenario depict the opposite trend.
     
  4. Himanshu Pandey

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    yes it had tought us to have tolerance, being without hate for people because you differ from me... it teaches peace and co-existence. it teaches not to be rigid, ready for change and to see a thing from more angle they you normally see.

    it makes you a Indian rather then citizen of any backwater 3rd rate country.
     
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    My friend this vary nation is a ideal if only we remove some bad apples from it.... it is India bro... the greatest civilization world had seen in past and if we be more Indians rather then hindu/muslim or anything else it will be again
     
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  6. Foxtrot

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    some bad apples !!!!! my god.......btw..why should we remove the bad apples...arent we supposed to make the bad apples good..the bad apples come from among ourselves only.


    India, the greatest civilization in the world......but, how many ppl below poverty line??? Pakistan also says they r the greatest civilization on earth.....so does china and does the US. From a neutral point of view what u r saying is just patriotic sentiment.
     
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  7. Foxtrot

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    about tolerance : how many communal riots did we have in the past???

    being without hate for people because you differ from me : wake up, here in India it is like - if you dont support me then u r against me.(eg :- mamata banerjee dubbing anyone questioning her as maoist).

    it teaches peace and co-existence : that is why i guess Marathis sending the UPs and Biharis back home....kashmiris wanting independence, people delivering hate speeches.

    it teaches not to be rigid, ready for change : i dont know total how many days anna hazare fasted, but , what about the lokpal bill, what about making CBI independent.

    and to see a thing from more angle they you normally see : Ramdev RSS agent and anna hazare has american backing.

    it makes you a Indian rather then citizen of any backwater 3rd rate country : people of many other countries in the world says India is still a 3rd rate country where 25% ppl live BPL.
     
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    Nice try at sarcasm dude, but no. The problem is you looking for magical fixes like a 'common unifier'. The only possible factor that actually serves to unify people is their common propensity to hate the same things. WE LOVE TO HATE THINGS. Since we identify a certain diversity in our unity; we have the luxury and option to complain about each other (by 'each other', I mean different religions, castes, states, creeds, IPL teams etc) and at the same time be united with each other against a common threat. Without the option or the luxury of diversity, we would descend into squabbling with each other; much like what medieval fucknut rajahs and sultans were busy doing while the British conquered us. Also need I remind you of what happened to Pakistan and the 'Two nation theory'. The common unifier of Islam couldn't stop the country from disintegrating in 1971, and now it is in danger of disintegration yet again. Now If the two nation-theory holds false in case of Pakistan, what makes you think that it would be any different for us? Another example of my point is that if this were a 'Hindu-Rashtra' (or 'saffron Pakistan' as I like to call it), the thread would be about 'Dalits threatning to kill Brahmins'. Or if by some freak of nature we do adopt Cricket as a religion, and base our national identity as a "nation that eats, sleeps and dreams cricket'; the thread would be about 'Dhoni addresses a charged up CSK dressing room and says, "Just remove the umpires, and we will show who's boss to DDD!":troll:
     
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    c i wud b a happy person if truly the ideals you r presenting happened....everyone wud be..... but in reality we r far from the ideal...
    in ur post u r predicting what cud have happened if india was hinduist......what i'm emphasizing is what has actually happened being secular and diversified.....

    a severe amount of duplicity is revealed among the leaders during independence........if being secular and diversified gives us strength then why was India divided.......and if smaller and united india was better than bigger & weaker india then why were muslims allowed to stay in India and importantly why then union of india, why not small states just like EU.
     
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    Firstly, India was divided BEFORE it could define herself as a SOVEREIGN, SECULAR and SOCIALIST state. So the whole argument of '.if being secular and diversified gives us strength then why was India divided' goes into the water. India has seen no further political disintegration of herself since 1947. For your second point, I see no merit in arguing to a logic that equates a whole community to being singularly detrimental to the concept of 'unity'. People seem to conveniently forget that during partition, there were literally millions of muslim families who stayed back in India in spite of the riots, just for the sake of their love for the land. There were several thousand muslim families who emigrated from the newly created state of Pakistan, that was designed to be solely for them, to the supposedly hindu India. Because Pakistan wasn't the country they had fought so hard to free from the shackles of British, India was. Lastly, my imagined scenarios were not from a 'Hinduist' India; rather it was from 'retard-hinduist' India. Oh yes, these two are very different entities; Hinduism, or the actual ancient vedic miracle was/is an open, scientific, structured yet not constrained faith that also had room for 'no-faith' i,e atheism. Need I remind you that the caste system was porous at that time? What the sangh parivar and the likes advocate is the retarded hinduism i,e medieval hinduism which had acquired rigidity due to a foolish need to 'market' the religion at that time and compete with other religions in a game of 'who can get/stop the most murgas to/from convert/converting to the/a religion?' (confusing name, I know; but also a confusing game). Our politicians have been duplicitous, just like all politicians in the world. What WE, AS CITIZENS OF THE OLDEST CONTINUING CIVILIZATION IN THE WORLD, need to do the most is not forget the common histories, trials, tribulations and triumphs that we share with people of all religious communities in our country. The rest should sort itself out as education and (I can't stress this enough) EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES spread and finally stomp out the 'divide and rule' brainwashing done to us and our society by the brits.
     
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    India was divided BEFORE it could define herself as a SOVEREIGN, SECULAR and SOCIALIST state. So the whole argument of '.if being secular and diversified gives us strength then why was India divided' goes into the water : I wud suggest u to recheck.....the congress during partition stated that it wants india to be secular and both hindus and muslims will have equal status.

    India has seen no further political disintegration of herself since 1947 : out of fear of the barrel.......then why is a plebiscite still not done in Kashmir which was originally promised to the people kashmir during independence.

    There were several thousand muslim families who emigrated from the newly created state of Pakistan, that was designed to be solely for them, to the supposedly hindu India : sorry.....could u post some neutral source for this piece of information. Some might have migrated bcoz most of their relatives wud hv been living in india from pre-partition time only.
     
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    Because Pakistan wasn't the country they had fought so hard to free from the shackles of British, India was : Who fought the british for independence ??......it was just an agreement for transfer of power due to the poor condition of britain after WWII.....when netaji was coming with azad hind fauz.....nehru said if netaji enters india, i will be the one standing against him....laughable....and muslim league was busy uniting the muslims to demand for pakistan....

    What WE, AS CITIZENS OF THE OLDEST CONTINUING CIVILIZATION IN THE WORLD, need to do the most is not forget the common histories, trials, tribulations and triumphs that we share with people of all religious communities in our country: Again highly idealistic, better being said at a huge public gathering to spread awareness rather than on a forum where everything needs to be discussed and analyzed to the barest truth.

    EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES: rightly said where providing reservation to jobs and colleges are not enough to raise the standards of backward classes.....it also needs reservation in promotion.
     
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    Well.....plz any one do not interpret me as an anti-islamist.........too much time has gone past to do something in this matter....and I have no problem calling those muslims my brothers who put country b4 their religion.......though I wud definitely like to debate about the consequences of going secular in 1947 and the diversified nature of India (both good and bad) with a realistic angle......... :D
     
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    You are making less and less sense as this debate goes on. I may be too tired; so I will refrain commenting now, as I need sleep something fierce; but I will be back for the debate later in the day. See ya then.
     
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    Define secularism:

    You mean European secularism (Separation of Church and State) or 5000 years old Indian secularism (Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam) where we are taught to respect everyone and live with them as if this whole word is big family.

    For me: Before, Hinduism is religion that I was born in but now I wanna go to London and shoot this mofo!

    Dimag khwam khwah kharab kar diya sale ne!
     
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