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Seculars threaten to kill 100 crore hindus

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Anish, Dec 31, 2012.

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  1. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    dozens of riots and still we try to live together in day to day life and this is tolrance..

    Mamta is mamta and thank god a lot are not like mamta... just see some debates in lok sabha or a tea stall there peopl are not shooting you because you have diffrent opinion.

    the marathis and up issue is economic which some retards used as political... it is not like I wil kill you just because you are from UP.

    In last they agreed and presented a law in lok sabha if it had been china or a middle east country... Anna hajare and all supporters will be shot dead in blank range and nothing would have been done...



    even those 2 are the angles if the wrong ones... and still people are debating here on a topic from various point of view and angles... which by default proves me right

    and Indians says a lot of nations in the world are the vary reason of all the problems world face... yes people are poor but there are less poor from 1947 and poverity is declining... not like europe and USA where it is increasing... so we are still on a upward path just as much as Indian opinion matters on world stage remove us from the title of 3rd rate backwater country.
     
  2. Foxtrot

    Foxtrot Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    There's no point in debating like this.......u will stick to ur ideals no matter how much counter argument and real life examples I produce.......in the hope one day someone will arrive and magically transform India into the ideal country everyone talked & dreamed about during independence...............................and I also wud not sway from the opinions which I have formed from real life experiences......

    It is very easy to speak about ideals sitting in large city or town(plz dont take any offense), eating whatever the electronic paid media dishes out without veryfying the truth. I wud suggest u visit and stay in any distant rural area for some month specially b4 any major election.....u will c what Indian democracy is, with ur own eyes and wonder what is right to freedom and expression..

    Dont blindly believe the rosy picture which the paid media paints(specially the statistics they produce).......do some real survey on your own. Ever wandered why people with rape, murder, robbery charges gets elected time and time again ????
     
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  3. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Akbaruddin Owaisi returns from London

    HYDERABAD: MIM MLA Akbaruddin Owaisi returned to the country from London on Monday morning. Owaisi has sought 4 days time from the police to appear before it in connection with a case filed against him concerning the hate speech he delivered last month.

    According reports, MIM activists were present in large numbers to give a rousing reception to the firebrand leader at the airport.

    Police had made elaborate bandobust arranagments for Owaisi's return to the city.

    Owaisi is likely to appeal before the Nirmal police later in the day.

    The Nirmal police had summoned the MLA to appear before them on January 7 in relation to a case booked against him for the hate speech delivered there during a public meeting on December 24.

    As a precautionary measure, the Nirmal Town police have imposed Section 144 (prohibit assembly of five or more persons) of the Criminal Procedure Court from 6am to 6pm on Monday. As a convoy of 30 to 40 vehicles is likely to follow Akbaruddin Owaisi's vehicle to Nirmal, commissioners and SPs of Hyderabad, Cyberabad, Ranga Reddy, Medak, Nizamabad and Adilabad have been told to remain on high alert from Sunday night.

    Police would also beef up security at the Nampally court premises on Monday as two separate petitions related to hate speeches of Akbaruddin and Togadia would come up for hearing on Monday. Hyderabad police and their counterparts in Ranga Reddy, Nizamabad and Adilabad have been asked to remain on alert and intercept private vehicles following Owaisi's vehicle wherever possible.


    Akbaruddin Owaisi returns from London - The Times of India

    Will he be jailed? or will congress reward him?
     
  4. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    This guy wants police removed for 15 mins to attack hindus but wants 4 days to appear before police
     
  5. rcscwc

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    Perhaps he came back after a deal. usko kuchch nahin hone vala
     
  6. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Varun Gandhi was much brave than this pig after so much controversy he lived in India.
    Is bhosduddin Owaisi ka to moot nikal gya jo bhaag gya tha.
     
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  8. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Long back in 1982 when I was in class 11th, we had a debate competition about Mr. M K Gandhi and his contribution to India. The motion was,"Gandhi is as relevent today as he always was". I opposed the motion and went on to prove that he was a complete failure and his assasination was a historic neccessity. Till date I have refused to call him Mahatma and will never do so. I even went to the extent to declare that if Gandhi is to be born again, I wud like to be born as Nathuram Godsey. It created quite a furore in my school. I won the debate, I was a Prefect at that time and went on to become the headboy in 12th class. But my speach divided the entire school in two parts, pro & anti Gandhi with majority supporting me quitely.
    Today we need some more Nathuram Godseys to take out such Gandhis who not only divided our nation in the past but are still trying to do the same. It is immaterial whether you use weapon or not, the fact is just like Gandhi ensured that only Hindus get killed, this guy is also talking of killing hindus only. Nothing has changed since Jan 1915 when Gandhi returned to India. Even as a free democratic majority hindu population nation, we hindus are being made to suffer. THIS MUST CHANGE.
     
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  9. Anish

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    Carry on Mr Owaisi, you are a genuine secular leader


    The way the system works here, it is difficult to think Akbaruddin Owaisi will be ever be punished for uttering those hateful words, laments Tarun Vijay

    Finally, Akbaruddin Owaisi, the fragrance of whose wisdom has so far been confined to the city that had seen the violent rise of Razakars before Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel ordered General J N Chaudhry to abort the Nizam of Hyderabad's dreams of joining Pakistan, has succeeded in getting his share of national fame.

    The usual sirens of secularism and the noise factories of peace, candlelight marchers and harmony providers with their 'punish Varun (Gandhi)' and 'hang (Narendra) Modi' missions are silent on Owaisi's hate-play. In fact, they must be rejoicing that a new baby has arrived to join their exclusive secular ranks. Celebrate!!

    At a time when the Hindu organisations are busy washing their dirty linen in public and others are busy settling kitchen matters, it is obvious that the headlines will focus on some semi-literate and ill-informed small-town noise-makers. Owaisi forgot how Sardar Patel, the ideal of Narendra Modi [ Images ], silenced the treacherous Razakars in one swift move and all those bravehearts were found running to their nearest safe-holes.

    He also doesn't know that hate politics is taking its toll on mostly Muslims the world over as more Muslims are being killed by Muslims than anyone else. He should use his abilities to save at least his hapless and forlorn Muslims in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, and Palestine.

    The false pride in theological extremism doesn't help. It hasn't helped anyone belonging to any colour or shade. See how boastful Tikka Khan was about Islamic power. And how the Islamised forces surrendered before us on December 16, 1971. It is pluralism and a healthy attitude of tolerance, nay, acceptance of the other viewpoint as honourable and true that makes a nation move ahead and society progress. Wherever blind opposition to the other viewpoint has prevailed, it has brought only darkness and barbarism of the middle ages.

    Owaisi must address the issues of backwardness, girls' education and empowerment and illiteracy in his community. That should be his first priority rather than befooling his people with fake bravado that means nothing at the ground level. The savage demolishers never achieve any purpose. In spite of demolishing Buddha at Bamiyan, the teachings of Buddha remain as relevant and alive as ever but the Taliban [ Images ] have been dustbinned by every civil country.

    So has been our history that made Iqbal (I am sure Owaisi has never heard his name) to say -- Kuch Baat Hai Ki Hasti Mit tee Nahin hamaari, there is something unique in us that we have survived all the vicissitudes of time, and he declared Ram as the Imam-e-Hind. The demolishers have vanished but we have still kept alive the thousands of years-old traditions in our homes and are always on the path of victory and peace and not on the path of homicide and fratricidal wars.

    For the last several centuries, only members of the Hindu community and other faiths born in India [ Images ] have continuously faced the savagery of either foreign invaders or of alienated minds. More than three thousand Hindu temples were destroyed and mosques built on the sites of destroyed temples, including in Kashi, Ayodhya and Mathura and the Qutub Minar -- which in fact is the Quwwatul en Islam mosque, (the power of Islam) -- as is declared by an information board put up there by the Archaeological Survey of India.

    The books secular writers wrote mentioned Buddha, Mahavir, Krishna and Indian freedom-fighters in derogatory terms. Spreading Hindu philosophy is contemptuously called 'forced Hinduisation' but those who convert Hindus to their faith through various deceitful means are welcomed as freedom providers from the bondage of castiesm and backwardness.

    The entire northeast saw the rise of extreme Christianity that advocated separation from India and supported violent insurgent groups like the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak Muivah and others. But the seculars saw in it a movement of indigenous peoples' struggle and a brave campaign to civilise the local population. Any incident that brought Hindus under the sword of the assaulters was simply ignored with an insult it didn't deserve, or the blame of Hindu slaughter was put on the shoulders of Hindu leaders alone.

    When Kashmir [ Images ] saw the world's most horrendous exodus of Hindus, the honourable secular writers, with all the seriousness they could muster, wrote that it was a drama enacted at the direction of then governor Jagmohan to badnaam (give a bad name) to Muslims.

    Those jihadis facing murder charges for killing Indian Air Force personnel and their children are respectfully invited to participate in chat shows of objective TV channels and their pictures are displayed on the frontpages of the secular print media, along with the anti-India diatribe coming out of their mouths.

    But when Chakma Buddhists and Reang Hindus are forced to leave their home and hearth, from Mizoram and Nagaland, these are simply treated as unmentionable incidents.

    Godhra, oh Godhra! It was declared that it was a crime committed by Hindus and their leaders -- that kar sevaks 'orchestrated' the burning of 59 Hindu women, children and the old, 'to create an atmosphere for the killing Muslims'. Remember those reports of the seculars? They may tell lies, white lies and lies of all colours to support their arguments. Like the Ahmedabad [ Images ] -- pregnant Muslim woman burnt alive by Hindus story. And their ilk can do no wrong.

    The man who sort of justified the gruesome genocide of three thousand Sikhs by saying, 'when a big tree falls, the earth shakes', is awarded the Bharat Ratna. The other man who showed through his world acclaimed acumen that Hindus and Muslims can develop together and achieve the highest rate of growth is given the 'most hated person of the century award' by seculars, just because he belongs to the Hindu family.

    Almost every second round-about in New Delhi [ Images ] have illegally built dargahs. And soon all such dargahs turn into mosques, against, as far as Islamic scholars tell me, the strict dictates of Islam. You will even find them at the main gate of the Election Commission, the defence ministry, airports and outside Parliament.

    And they run secular businesses from their dargahs -- xerox, STD-ISD services, fax, and several other offices of their children and friends are located there. The garden around them in the round-about is maintained by the New Delhi Municipal Corporation. They get power supply and all the facilities provided by the government.

    Just touch them or demand their relocation and you will be roasted alive by the secular TV channels on their prime time shows and declared as the most rabid anti-Muslim.

    So much is the pressure from such secular media houses that nationalist parties, when in power, express an enthusiasm to demolish hundreds of pavement temples in order to show they are not communal. One such huge temple was demolished just opposite my former office in Jhandewala in New Delhi during the Bharatiya Janata Party's [ Images ] rule.

    So pavement dargahs can't be touched even if the public is inconvenienced, the law is broken and traffic is affected. But the bridge that Rama built, Ram Sethu [ Images ], can be destroyed to make way for ships.

    Seculars have suggested putting up an 'all-faith centre' at the Ram Janambhoomi in Ayodhya to increase the levels of mutual love, harmony and understanding. It simply means allowing Muslims and Christians to pray at a site of Hindu faith.

    But when a small Bhagyalaksmi temple, an old creation, is found to be situated at Charminar, which is not a religious structure, in a city that also belongs to Mr Owaisi, it is suggested that the temple be shifted.

    'Why on earth should this small, ugly-looking temple be situated close to a structure much revered by Muslims,' asked a secular writer.

    Now, this temple and the "structure much revered by the Muslims" are not considered as one which may increase levels of mutual love!

    So carry on Mr Owaisi. The way the system works here, it is difficult to think you will be ever be punished for uttering those hateful words. Even if you get a symbolic reprimand, that is going to further increase your stature as a genuine secular leader.


    Carry on Mr Owaisi, you are a genuine secular leader - Rediff.com India News

    Owaisi was, is and will be a muslim leader who represents indian secularism at its highest level.
     
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  10. Anish

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    Hate speech' case: MIM leader Akbaruddin Owaisi arrested

    Amidst high drama, MIM MLA Akbaruddin Owaisi, who is facing multiple cases for his alleged "hate speech", was on Tuesday arrested after medical tests
    in a government hospital in Hyderabad a day after his arrival from London. Owaisi, who was subjected to medical examination at the


    Gandhi Hospital here for his fitness status, was straightaway taken under high security in a convoy of cars to Nirmal in Adilabad district, more than 200 km from here.
    Security was also tightened along the route to Nirmal in the Telangana region of the state. 42-year-old Owaisi, the floor leader of his party in the
    Andhra Pradesh Assembly, is expected to be produced before a court in Nirmal in connection with the registration of a case against him for alleged provocative speeches regarding the disputed Bhagyalakshmi shrine in the Charminar area.

    Complaints have been filed against him in regard to the same speeches in various police stations in Hyderabad and other parts of the state.

    On medical grounds, Owaisi had sought four days time to appear before the police which had booked him under various sections of the IPC in Nizamabad and Osmania University police here for the alleged "hate speeches"

    As he failed to appear before the police, the Investigating Officer of Nirmal (Rural) Police A Raghu visited Owaisi's house in Banjara Hills here last evening and found that he looked fit to face questioning, according to police sources.

    However, Owaisi complained of "internal pain". Police took him to Gandhi hospital and was subjected to medical examination by government doctors at Gandhi Hospital today.

    After getting the medical report, the police arrested him.

    As the news of his arrest spread, hundreds of MIM party workers and his supporters gathered in front of Gandhi Hospital. Police had a tough time in controlling the protesters and preventing them from gatecrashing into the hospital.

    Police have already intensified security arrangements in the city, particularly in Old City--a stronghold of MIM Party, by deploying additional forces as a precautionary measure.

    Earlier in the day, a police escort team reached the MLA's house at Banjara Hills and took him to Gandhi Hospital here after the Nirmal rural police issued a notice to Akbaruddin to make himself present for the medical examination.

    Akbaruddin has already been issued notices to appear before Nizamabad police today and also before the Osmania University Police on January 10 in connection with the further probe into the cases registered against him.

    Owaisi has approached the Andhra Pradesh high court seeking to quash all the FIRs registered against him at different police stations in the state.

    Tension prevailed outside the Hospital as scores of supporters of Owaisi assembled near the premises and raised anti-government slogans.

    Additional security forces were also deployed in parts of the Old City as a precautionary measure following speculation that Owaisi would be arrested after his medical tests.

    Gandhi Hospital Superintendent Dr S Mahbub said medical examination of Akbaruddin was conducted by a team of five doctors. "A bullet is there on the lower side of his back," he medical superintendent said. A rival group had attacked Akbaruddin in April 2011 over a land dispute issue in Barkas area here. He had sustained bullet injuries in the attack.

    Meanwhile, protests and demonstrations continued by BJP workers and VHP members at Indira Park and Alwal here and in Adilabad and Nizamabad districts demanding immediate arrest of Owaisi

    'Hate speech' case: MIM leader Akbaruddin Owaisi arrested - Hindustan Times

    A congress ally has gone to jail victory for india
    Jai Hind
     
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    I must clarify that I, a Hindu and a BJP supporter and a committed RSS member, am fiercely proud of our history. One that includes Islam and Christianity as well. It is what has made us who we are. And I judge a person by who he is, and not his faith. I state unequivocally and truthfully that i do not endorse nor encourage communal violence against anyone.

    Having said that, let us look at the flaw in Owaisi's argument objectively. Owaisi said that, 25 crore muslims need 15 minutes to show 100 crore hindus what they can do. He also talks of 2002 riots in the same speech where, he alleges that, the police stepped back and did nothing to prevent the events that unfolded. Owaisi, look at what happened. Make your own conclusions.
     
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    what abt those cheering owaisi's words.......no action against them ????
     
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    He seems to be in trouble now will surely spend some years in jail and hopefully deported back to pakisatn like his party's founder the razakar commander qasim rizvi.
     
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