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Senior Journalist Gauri Lankesh Shot Dead At Her Residence In Bengaluru

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Agent_47, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. omya

    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    1. Muslim population was less than 5% in 1947 now its 13.4% and increasing.
    2. During ww2 nazis were only around 20-30% of the total german population who were supporting invasion of polland and france what did the 70% majority did this to stop ? nothing.
    3. Lebanon was a christian country with 80% christian population now its a 90% muslim country.
    4. It doesnt matter if rich or not Lebanon had poor muslim population who was breeding like pigs 10-15 children in every muslim family while christians had max 2 children per family.
    5. Muslim didnt had resources during 1947 but the 10% population (before 1947 it was 10%) managed to steal 30% indian territory now known as pakistan and bangladesh.
     
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  2. Agent_47

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    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The Economics of blaming someone for a murder without proof


    WHO MUST HAVE THE DEFAULT BLAME FOR THE MURDER OF GAURI LANKESH?

    I know I know… much was spoken, written and outraged over the last one day. None however discussed an economic framework which can help assign it. In order to do that, I quote best-seller author Steven Landsburg’s articulation of Ronald Coase’s path-breaking idea. So here it goes:

    Factories pollute too much because someone other than the factory owner has to breathe the polluted air. Nineteenth century trains threw off sparks that tended to ignite the crops on neighbouring farms, and the railroads ran too many of those trains because the crops belonged to someone else. Farmers keep too many unfenced rabbits when they don’t care about the lettuce farmer next door. These are some examples of externalities.

    Arthur C. Pigou’s solution—and it’s often a good one—is to make sure that people do feel the costs of their actions, via taxes, fines, or liability rules that allow the victims to sue for damages. Do a dollar’s worth of damage, and you’re charged a dollar.

    The second great idea about externalities sprang full-blown from the mind of a law professor and subsequent Nobel prize winner named Ronald Coase, who stunned the profession in 1960 by pointing out that Pigou’s argument runs both ways. If you breathe the pollution from my factory, I’m imposing a cost on you—but at the same time, you’re imposing a cost on me. After all, if you lived somewhere else, you wouldn’t be complaining about the smoke and I wouldn’t be getting punished for it.

    This insight—so simple once stated, but thoroughly astonishing to the economists of 1960—means that in a case of externalities, pure theory can never tell you who should bear the costs; you’ve got to look at the specifics of the case.

    Take those spark-throwing railroad trains. Pigou says: There are too many fires because the railroads don’t care; let’s make them reimburse the farmers for all the crop destruction, and then they’ll care.

    Coase says: Wait a minute. Often, farmers can prevent fires at very low cost by not planting quite so close to the tracks. True, the railroads don’t currently care about the crop damage. But if you reimburse the farmers, then the farmers won’t care, and you’ll get too many crops planted too close to the tracks. The best way to prevent fires might (or might not) be to grant the railroads complete legal immunity.

    And as for that rabbit farmer—the one who lives next to the lettuce farmer and lets his rabbits run wild—Pigou would have insisted that the rabbit farmer cover the damages. Coase is more evenhanded.

    There are a lot of ways for the rabbit farmer to solve this problem: Put the rabbits in cages, or file their teeth down, or raise a different breed of rabbit, or move away, or switch to keeping geckos. There are also a lot of ways for the lettuce farmer to solve this problem: Fence the lettuce, or spray it with rabbit repellent, or move away, or switch to growing barley. If the rabbit farmer is immune from lawsuits, he’ll have no incentive to implement his solutions. But if the lettuce farmer is routinely reimbursed for lost lettuce, then he’ll have no incentive to implement his solutions.

    Which outcome is worse? That depends on whose solutions are better. Pure theory can’t answer that question.

    So the solution lies in assigning property rights so that the best possible solution is reached. And, the idea of the optimal property rights is to minimise the costs to society: We assign property rights so that cost to all the parties together is the least.

    NOW, LET’S APPLY THIS THEORY TO THE STORY OF MURDER OF “RATIONALISTS” BY THE “HINDUTVA FORCES”.
    If Hindutva could profit from murder of rationalists without accepting the blame, secularists (rationalists) can too profit from attributing the murder to Hindutva when the murder was the handiwork of someone else. Both are equally important possibilities for an ideology-neutral observer.

    So what is the ideal way of assigning the blame? The principle should be that the blamed party gets to defend itself easily to minimise the cost. If any one of these two parties is the default one to receive the blame, then that party has to run from pillar to post to acquit itself—a costly solution indeed.

    Let us say, in case of a particular murder, secularists control the police (and hence the investigation). Under those circumstances, there is no way Hindutva forces can defend themselves if secularists are keen to profit from attributing the murder to the Hindutva forces. It is definitely not a cost-effective solution to blame the Hindutva forces.

    On the other hand, if the Hindutva forces control the police (and hence the investigation), one can never be sure if the Hindutva forces are innocent regarding the crime. In such a scenario it would be almost impossible for secularist forces to refute the accusation of ill-will which is not cost-effective as well.

    Therefore, the reverse would constitute the best solution: Blame the secularist forces of false attribution if they control the police and the investigation; and blame the Hindutva forces of murdering their critics if they control the police and the investigation.

    We can use this framework to evaluate both these parties — the secularists and the Hindutva forces — regarding Dhabolkar, Pansare, Kalburgi, Sai Reddy, and now Gauri Lankesh.

    http://www.opindia.com/2017/09/the-economics-of-blaming-someone-for-a-murder-without-proof/
     
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  4. InfoWarrior

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    Im alt-right but I want to be realistic. I don't want moderate Hindus getting killed. If right wingers want to peacefully convert liberals to right wings, I have no problem. But I won't stand for killing of Liberal Hindus for their views. Killing a terrorist is different from killing a liberal journalist.

    I want Hindus to remain a majority. But I don't think Muslims can just take over, it does not work like that. Many Hindus in southern states are settling in other states in search of Jobs. Kerala is a tourist state with no jobs, So Hindus and Christians migrate to other places for jobs. Do you know how many Keralites have settled in other states as teachers, nurses, army personal etc.

    http://www.calcuttanairservicesociety.in/
    Greater Guwahati Kerala Samajam to celebrate 50 years of existence
    https://www.telegraphindia.com/1120121/jsp/northeast/story_15033184.jsp

    Muslim population was 9.8% in 1951 census
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Census_of_India

    Lebanon was Christian with . Muslim percentage
    1932   49%
    1985 75%
    2010 59%
    2012 59.5%

    Israel and Iran Hezbollah did proxy war there
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War

    But Lebanon's case is different from India. Lebanon population is just 60 lakh and its a homogeneous society.
     
  5. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Yep, he just said that and confirmed it.




    Gauri would have been alive if she hadn't written against RSS, says BJP MLA:
    In a shocking statement, Bharatiya Janata Party's Karnataka MLA Jeevaraj said that if only Journalist Gauri Lankesh had not written about the celebration of the "death" of the Sangh Parivar, she would probably have been alive today.

    According to an alleged video broadcasted by news channel, India Today, Jeevaraj, while addressing a public meeting of party workers, said several RSS workers have lost their lives in this Congress-ruled state but the Siddaramaiah government did not initiate any action against the culprits.
     
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    Was wondering what your reaction would be if the killer turned out to be a Christian .Let's narrow it down to an RC or a Syrian Christian from Kerala .
    Just asking .
     
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    This is the Gujrat riots template. Juat run a media trial instead of actually punishing the culprits.

    I want the culprits punished. The first step towards that is run an investigation not tainted by pre conceived notions.

    Why dont the leat wingers and congressi goons want the murderers to get caught?

    So this means finally the congress govt will arrest this guy and all those involved right? This will finally give credence to your claim that BJP killed her. But if your own government thinks a controvercial statement is not proof, then we will have to reject your claims too. Fair?
     
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    People like u roaming freely talking crap about d majority n misusing every atom of d constitutional rights given is d best example that india is still not pakistan, think wat would've happened to u if u wer a minority in pak talking crap about d majority like u r doing here.
     
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    its a case of selective outrage,when journalists die in Secular party ruled states,the blame still goes to BJP and center under Modi. This time they are beating their chests, because one of their communists died,most probably due to faction war fallout,they want to disguise the intra faction war and blame RSS,Right wing or BJP for it. Infact, BJP gets nothing out of it by taking out Gauri Lankesh when she was already convicted and supposed to go to jail for 6 months in a defamation case against 2 BJP Mla/leaders.
     
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    You are naive, remember how they reached majority in Kashmir, Kerala,Assam and West Bengal.They will do the same in rest of India. PEW research already says India will have worlds largest population of Muslims by 2041 and its not far away,just 20 years from now on,Your kids will bear the brunt of Islamic terror attacks.

    Remember, Partition of India happened when only 21% of Muslims rioted for it. You don't need to wait till 40% to see violence,Just let them reach 20% population they will demand for a new country,with Pakistan and China supporting it.This is a time tested model throughout their history,that is how they sliced away territory slowly in other nations to become 100% Islamic.

    If you read anything about their Prophet Mohammed's history and their Koran,You will know how he usurped Mecca and Medina slowly bit by bit and forced all residents to convert to Islam,using a Minority force of militia he had back then. This model is seen as divine and every Islamist seeks to emulate this model everywhere around the world, especially in Kafir lands.
     
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    Rss ki sajish.

    Then series of articles old as 2005 posted to claim his narrative. His lovable leader and tourist politician and ye churi already have all the evidence that it's the RSS and BJP behind the killing, just like malegaon blast , 26/11, gujrat riots, samjhota express blast, etc etc.
     
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    So how do we control their population ? Myanmar is being targeted for controlling their population violently. I think time is past for any violent means, ripe time was during Partition.
    And BJP can't even deport Rohingya, ...

    So best way to control their population is Hindus grab hold of as much resources as possible. Hindus make a network and avoid selling properties to muslims. But I think such networks already exist.

    Pakistan and Bangladesh and Kashmir became muslim majority during the Islamic era, of invasions. Jammu was muslim majority, which was made Hindu majority after independence by Dogra raja.

    Till now I haven't seen any muslim having tendency of seperation except in Kashmir. Lakshadweep islands are muslim majority and they don't ask for Independence.

    You forget India is a nuclear power, nuclear weapons can deal with Pakistan + China + 20% population. Anyway no one will ask for Independence if they know that they can't get away. Suppose 20% ask for Independence, what would happen to Muslims in rest of India. ?
     
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    They breed like rabbits.
     
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    guynextdoor is a known brahmin hater and pakistani lover at pdf.. check out his posts on pdf
     
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    Education, modernization.
     
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