Sheer jealousy compels China to call India's Space Success as 'LIMITED'

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    Shear jealousy compels China to call India's Space Success as 'LIMITED'

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    A Chinese state-run newspaper in an editorial Thursday said India's record of sending 104 satellites into space was "a limited achievement", with India's space programme still lagging behind China's successes in its manned space programme.

    India on Wednesday launched a record 104 satellites on a single rocket, which followed the Mars orbiter mission, which also garnered attention in China. The Chinese government described the Mars orbiter mission as "the pride of Asia" and said it would be keen to work more closely with India on space projects.

    The state media, however, struck a different note on Thursday. "The Indians have reason to be proud," said a Thursday editorial in the Party-run Global Times, a widely read tabloid. "However, the space technology race is not mainly about the number of satellites at one go," it added. "It's fair to say the significance of this achievement is limited. In this regard, Indian scientists know more than the Indian public, who are encouraged by media reports."


    INDIA'S SPACE PROGRAMME VERSUS US, CHINA ::

    The editorial pooh-poohed where India's space programme stood in comparison to America's and China's. "India's space technology development tends to project national image. It's reported that India also plans to reach Venus, another programme that is suitable for media hype but lacks follow-up research," the editorial said.

    "On the whole, India's space technology still lags behind the US and China's. It has not yet formed a complete system. For instance, the engine of its rockets is not powerful enough to support large-scale space exploration."


    WHERE IS INDIA LAGGING BEHIND ::

    The editorial pointed out, "There is no Indian astronaut in space and the country's plan to establish a space station has not started," referring to China's manned space missions, with two astronauts last year spending 30 days in the Tiangong-2 space module, which will be developed into a full-fledged space station.

    The paper did add that it was "a hard-won achievement for India to reach current space technology level with a relatively small investment", saying it offered "food for thought for other countries", pointing out that the US space budget in 2013 was $39.3 billion, China $6.1 billion, Russia $5.3 billion, Japan $3.6 billion and India $1.2 billion.

    The editorial concluded that India's example was "worth pondering". "The first is its ambition to make India a great power. Therefore, it's focused not only on immediate interests but long-term ones. Second, the country believes it should remain present in space technology development, given its close links with military. And third, India is under pressure to compete with China and refuses to lag behind."

    "India's Achilles' Heel is its relatively small economic scale and a weak foundation for national development. As a hierarchical society, it has both world-class elite and a largest number of poor people. Many lessons can be drawn from India. As a rising power, it has done a good job. It is ambitious but pragmatic, preferring to compare with others as an incentive to progress. India's political and social philosophy is worth pondering."


    http://www.defencenews.in/article/S...o-call-Indias-Space-Success-as-LIMITED-250509
     
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    This is as funny as it can get.....

    Oh Boy so much heartburn and jealousy, looks like Lizard's bottom is on fire. So instead of firing from mouth it is firing from bottom. :flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:
     
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    Here's one more:

    Chinese media on ISRO’s record satellite launch: ‘Well done India, but we are way ahead’

    India’s satellite-launch record has been noticed.

    The Chinese media in a backhanded compliment hailed the feat but not before reminding India it had the world’s largest number of poor and its space technology lagged China by miles.

    The state-run Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro) on Wednesday launched 104 satellites in one go, a triumph that underlines the credibility of the country’s frugal but effective space programme.

    India should be proud of its achievements, Chinese state media said on Thursday, pointing out gaps such as lack of a manned mission.

    “On the whole, India’s space technology still lags behind the US’ and China’s. It has not yet formed a complete system,” the nationalist tabloid Global Times wrote.


    India should remember it had the largest number of poor people in the world and a weak foundation for all-round national development, it said.

    India didn’t have rockets powerful enough to support large-scale space exploration. “There is no Indian astronaut in space and the country’s plan to establish a space station has not started,” the editorial said.

    China launched its sixth manned mission in October. The first was in 2003. The October launch was part of the long-term mission to have a permanent space station by 2020.

    In 2013, China became the third country after the US and the former Soviet Union to successfully soft land a spacecraft on the Moon.

    Officially, the Chinese government remained silent on India’s feat, which overhauled Russia’s record of 37 launches in 2014.

    “This is perhaps the first widely followed world record India has made in the field of space technology. The Indians have reason to be proud,” the influential state-run daily said.

    “India’s Achilles’ heel is its relatively small economic scale and a weak foundation for national development. As a hierarchical society, it has both world-class elite and a largest number of poor people.”

    Many lessons could be drawn from India, which as a rising power had done a good job. “It is ambitious but pragmatic… India’s political and social philosophy is worth pondering,” it added before quickly moving to puncture the balloon.

    “However, the space technology race is not mainly about the number of satellites at one go. It’s fair to say the significance of this achievement is limited.”

    The write-up also compared the money spent by other countries on space missions to argue that even if India was spending less money than China, it worked out to be the same because India’s GDP was a fourth of that of China.

    ISRO takes pride in its frugal innovation and it is because of its cost-effective models that India is emerging as a serious player in a crowded launch market.

    “It’s a hard-won achievement for India to reach current space technology level with a relatively small investment. It offers food for thought for other countries. India launched a lunar probe in 2008 and ranked first among Asian countries by having an unmanned rocket orbit Mars in 2013,” the Global Times said.

    India spends a little over $1 billion a year on its space programme compared with US’ budget of about $19.3 billion for 2017. China spent $6.1 billion in 2013, the write-up said.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...e-way-ahead/story-kRwNMp3JRJGrKwyla8jRYI.html
     
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    Dragon's A*s on Fire. :flame::flame::flame::flame:
     
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    Seriously Bro....Come on.

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    ISRO is not interested in a space race...Their aim is to employ their research for better understanding of space , betterment of people...and generation of revenues ....The Chinese have a different aim altogether...They want to go to moon and mars and stuff.They see space as the final frontier to establish their dominance and equal the US or surpass it.The Chinese make the mistake of assuming that everything is a race the ISRO is out to beat China in every possible aspect of Upper Atmospheric/Space/ Deep Space Exploration...While that's not the case.


    So their assessment of our program is not something I agree with.

    PS :
    It is no secret that they are way ahead in terms of general launch technology and manned space exploration..among other areas...
    Lets just enjoy the achievement of this mission rather than focus on the international media's reaction on this.
    And FFS stop comparing the Chinese Space Program and ISRO.
    Enjoy what we have achieved.
     
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    Message to China and its CCP bots: We are also doing well in pharmaceutical industry, we make fine quality Burnol, applying it twice daily in your buttholes with chopsticks can do wonders for your collective burning sensation. Feel free to place an export order, we will be happy to send container loads of it.
     
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    Not an issue.

    I thank China for pointing out where we lag - namely the poverty and a poor infrastructure hobbling our socio-economic development. May they continue to point that out. It is appreciable that China has chosen to point these problems of ours. Good. We must now eradicate those problems.

    Very true, we have not achieved anything. This is just the beginning!
     
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    Careful, China. It is possible that our first astronaut to perform a space walk could be one of those poor people you are mocking.
     
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    No offense but they are correct.. Lets just accept that we are behind and keep doing what we are doing.

    Plus ISRO should not get carried away with space shuttle and astronaut things. We just don't need such things right now.
     
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    nothing they said is wrong. our space program, MIC, and general economy, clout in the international diplomacy - although good - is no match for China. we need to stop comparing ourselves with smaller nations and start looking at nations ahead of us for inspiration. no need to shout "burnol" in the other forum as well. we can be humble a accept the fact. be humble in our short comings - be firm in our resolve - keep on improving. thats all.

    and lets take china's criticism constructively. we do lack in many areas and at present, I believe we cannot effectively compete with China. and although I have my reservations on the current govt, I still think giving an extended run to the current govt is the only way we can even be in the race and be within visible distance of china.

    but the loss of the decade after Vajpayee govt has truly lowered our capabilities and I fear we will never be able to match or outrun china. our next best bet is to make sure we atleast be within touching distance.
     
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    yet we are the ones who discovered water on moon and managed to get to mars in the very first attempt. but we should take into consideration the problems that we are facing now with poverty.
     
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    Well done India.Congratulations
     
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    Exactly people dont understand this. The more they will point out the problem, govt of India will be more under pressure to correct it. I want everyone to criticize India on infrastructure, like they did with toilets. The first step to solve a problem is to Identify the problem, and for that people hire consultants, while India is getting it free of cost from all over the world. Instead of complaining, working on it will make India more closer to the title "Superpower"
     
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    You nailed it. Criticise us, only fools ignore criticism. I would rather learn from it. Introspect and work. Not all criticism is false.

    We must have the ability and moral fibre to accept our weakness. Acceptance is the first step towards correction
     
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    Uh...as usual, a 'Moderator' tag almost always destroys a perfectly normal human being and makes him/her a sensible, responsible, prudent, saintly personality full of humility! Maybe because 'Mahatma' and 'Moderator' both start with a 'M'! That's why I hate it! :D

    On a serious note (I hate it too), what you are saying is perfectly right, but there are two kinds of criticism, one is from well-wishers or neutral sources who either want good for us or at least don't want bad for us, this group deserves 'acceptance with humility' for their criticism while we work toward solving the issues.

    And then there are critiques who don't really want good for us, and their criticism is for one-upmanship or plain rivalry, to make us look small, pull us down or to break our moral while bolstering their own image and position in contrast. For this group of critiques; while we should certainly take note of the weaknesses and work towards solving them, we should also reply suitably against their game of one-upmanship. Our official channels are already doing it in their responsible ways by highlighting our achievements while maintaining that we are not in a race, moderators being the official channels of online forums are also sounding responsible, and we the ordinary folks need to fight against the flood of online Chinese trolls, many of whom are believed to be paid CCP bots, with the philosophy of 'fighting terror with terror, and trolls with........' :p
     

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