Dismiss Notice
Welcome to IDF- Indian Defence Forum , register for free to join this friendly community of defence enthusiastic from around the world. Make your opinion heard and appreciated.

Sheer jealousy compels China to call India's Space Success as 'LIMITED'

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by lca-fan, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    May 1, 2013
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    484
    Remember in 1931 thousands of Dutch Mark in Germany could not fetch a loaf of bread and in just 8 years Hitler was marching to take on the world. That is the positive power of dictatorship. And you see its opposite in North Korea. China is also a one party rule who has put its power for positive use. India on the other had is a democracy and massive amount of our national resources - money and time is consumed in useless activity. The most powerful strategy adopted by China is thievery and the most powerful weapon in its kitty is the accumulation of dollar using which it can buy out anything in the world.
     
    A_poster, Rain Man and PARIKRAMA like this.
  2. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2013
    Messages:
    9,422
    Likes Received:
    4,285
    :biggthumpup:

    #Modisarkaaaaaar
    They are making fun of our poor people >>> Please fix problem.
     
    PARIKRAMA and lca-fan like this.
  3. SvenSvensonov

    SvenSvensonov MILITARY STRATEGIST

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2017
    Messages:
    90
    Likes Received:
    258
    Country Flag:
    United States
    First off let me say WOW!!! I've been a follower of India's space program for a while and have always been impressed with how cost effective and frankly successful the missions have been. I've admired India's approach to development too. It's not always pretty, the cost of going alone is sometimes efficiency (the mass versus performance of the GSLV for instance), but it you don't mind exercising a bit of patients, not only with your development as bugs, kinks and design elements work themselves out, but also patience with your detractors (and how sweet it feels to rub your successes in their face) in the long-run you'll only see those who would cast scorn and derision upon you look in awe, though I always favor cooperation with others myself.

    But I also tentatively agree with the Chinese here that the mission is largely a PR stunt, a launch of minor modules and college projects and not any major development in the grander scheme of space exploration or flight, though I do disagree with their tone, it's too harsh. This is something that's never been successfully done before, our KickSat mission launched aboard CRS-3 failed when a timer on the spacecraft failed and the satellites, all 104 of then weren't deployed properly before the module reentered Earth's atmosphere:

    [​IMG]

    None the less it's an impressive moment for IRSO and the Indian Space Program as a whole. KickSat-2 will be gunning for your record.
     
    PARIKRAMA, randomradio and Gessler like this.
  4. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2013
    Messages:
    9,422
    Likes Received:
    4,285
    Most of the weight is in the boost stage. The LVM3's boost stage is 400+ tonnes. The rest of the rocket is 250 tonnes, not very different from other rockets. It's part of the 'cheap but efficient' objective.
     
    GSLV Mk III likes this.
  5. Inactive

    Inactive Guest

    On a personal note, I agree with what you say above. However, my aim as a 'Moderator' is to ensure that the reason we all left the other place in droves, does not come to haunt us here only. And keeping in view that, my post has been exactly a personal opinion only. It is, what I practice in real life!:biggthumpup:

    Spot on as always @Rain Man

    I agree. And those whose criticism is meant to demoralise us, the biggest rebuttal to their efforts is by accepting and improving ....

    Hence, my post ... and exquisitely elaborated upon by you!:thank_you2:
     
    Rain Man likes this.
  6. lca-fan

    lca-fan Captain FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2015
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    3,314
    Country Flag:
    India
    China needs to learn from India on space commerce, says its state-run media after ISRO’s record
    Is India beating China in its own game — building a low-price, efficient and increasingly reliable model in the space sector?

    The Chinese government is possibly asking its space scientists this question.

    Days after saying China was way ahead of India in space technology, a grudgingly complimentary state media piece on Monday said the Communist country could learn a “number of lessons” from its neighbour’s low-price and efficiency-driven advantages in the sector.

    Last week, India launched 104 satellites, breaking the earlier Russian record of 37 satellites being placed in orbit at one go.

    Well done India, but we are ahead in the space race, was the crux of the nationalistic tabloid Global Times’s opinion piece that was published as a response to the launch.

    “Competition with India for commercial space launches may be inevitable, and the most urgent action needed for China to expand its market share is to reduce the cost of putting satellites into orbit.”
    On Monday, the same newspaper asked a seemingly rhetorical question: “Over the past few days, some people have keenly followed the debate on whether China has lagged behind India in its space race.”

    “India’s successful launch of a record-breaking 104 satellites into orbit could serve as a wake-up call for China’s commercial space industry and there are a number of lessons for the country to learn,” the article published in the section “Eye on the Economy” said.

    The Chinese commercial space sector has lagged behind the global market and now the country has to learn from the experiences acquired by other countries, India included, on how to commercialise rocket launches.


    The focus of the article was on the commercial aspects of India’s space forays.

    “Competition with India for commercial space launches may be inevitable, and the most urgent action needed for China to expand its market share is to reduce the cost of putting satellites into orbit,” it said.

    “China’s space sector, developing rapidly as an important part of the country’s defence industry, has focused less on cost-control in the past few decades. The country should make a fundamental transformation to allow some institutions in its space sector to run like a business instead of as government-backed research bodies,” the article said.

    Restrictions on exporting technology from US

    It said part of the reason why China’s space sector is not as commercially viable is because of US restrictions on exporting required technology to the US.

    [​IMG]
    People watch as a rocket from ISRO takes off successfully to launch a record 104 satellites. (PTI Photo)
    “Although China is developing rapidly into a major player in the space industry, the country’s commercial space sector is still in its infancy. Many of the world’s satellites are made in or use parts from the US. However, satellites and components made in the US are prohibited from being exported to China, making it very difficult for China to get contracts for commercial satellite launches with other countries,” it said.

    But China is likely to put the wherewithal in place quickly.

    ChinaRocket Co was established last year to ramp up the commercialization of China’s space sector. The firm has pledged a reduction in the cost of rocket launches by at least 30% through various measures including business model innovation.”

    The cost-efficiency race in space is likely to pick up pace soon.


    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...state-media/story-hUXI9C9ReS0KmTMOnwZYEM.html
     
  7. lca-fan

    lca-fan Captain FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2015
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    3,314
    Country Flag:
    India
    India's 104-Satellite Launch Could Be 'Wake Up Call': Chinese Media

    NEW DELHI:
    HIGHLIGHTS
    1. ISRO launched 104 satellites on a single rocket on Wednesday
    2. China lauded ISRO's cost-effective and efficient space programme
    3. China, however, described the rocket launch's impact as "limited"

    Chinese state media has praised India's record-breaking achievement of putting 104 satellites into the Orbit on a single rocket and termed the launch executed by ISRO as a "wake-up call" for China's space industry. The article in the state-owned newspaper Global Times commented that competition with India for commercial space launches "may be inevitable".


    "India's successful launch of a record breaking 104 satellites into Orbit could serve as a wake-up call for China's commercial space industry and there are a number of lessons for the country to learn," the article stated.

    On the cost-effectiveness of ISRO's recent PSLV-C39 mission, the newspaper commented, "The urgent action needed for China to expand its market share is to reduce the cost of putting satellites into the Orbit.

    "The launch indicated that India can send commercial satellites at lower costs, giving the country's competitiveness in the global race for burgeoning commercial space business," it said.


    The newspaper also referred to ISRO's successful Mars Orbiter Mission, or Mangalyaan, and said, "In 2014, India became the fourth country to successfully send a spacecraft to orbit Mars, signalling a regional rivalry with China, which suffered a failure in its Mars mission in 2012."

    The article also said that despite developing into a major player in the space industry, China's commercial space sector was still in its "infancy."


    "Many of the world's satellites are made in or use parts from the US. However, satellites and components made in the US are prohibited from being exported to China, making it very difficult for China to get contracts for commercial satellite launches with other countries."

    But while quoting the launch as "India's latest triumph for its space programme", the Chinese newspaper added that the impact of the was "limited" and stresses China's technological superiority.

    "With respect to the research and development of both military and commercial rocket launch services, India lags behind China, the US and Russia," the article said.

    "India cannot match them unless it has enough rockets types to fulfil all satellite launches," the article said, quoting Zhang Yonghe, director of the Shanghai Engineering Centre for Microsatellites.
    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indi...h-could-be-wake-up-call-chinese-media-1661470
     
  8. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Messages:
    12,342
    Likes Received:
    12,341
    Country Flag:
    India
    These Chinese idiots are saying that we have no capability to launch multiple satellites in different orbits. Last launch of PSLV demonstrated the ability to re-ignite the last stage to vary the orbit for releasing multiple satellites at multiple orbits and trajectories. Chinese seem to have their ass on fire and shining like Sun.
     
    Schwifty and lca-fan like this.
  9. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    507
    Likes Received:
    485
    Country Flag:
    India
    Satellite wise they are ahead of of us they have launched quatum satellite ......... GEO imaging sat and their own ss ...................
     
    Schwifty likes this.
  10. lca-fan

    lca-fan Captain FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2015
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    3,314
    Country Flag:
    India
    That was the actual demonstration of MIRV capabilities. If they still doubt then they are living in fools paradise.:azn:
     
    Schwifty and vstol jockey like this.
  11. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    507
    Likes Received:
    485
    Country Flag:
    India
    right but MIRV also include separating rvs when re entering the atm..................
     
  12. lca-fan

    lca-fan Captain FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2015
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    3,314
    Country Flag:
    India
    We have already demonstrated RVs (with heatsheild) with Agni-1 itself, in MIRV multiple RVs are placed on a bus just like multiple satellites on a bus which then releases these satellites on different orbit and in case of MIRV the bus releases RVs at different altitudes separating them and giving them different flight path to re-enter atmosphere at different places. Here it is a well known that India has demonstrated Re-entry technology on various occasions.:D
     
  13. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Messages:
    12,342
    Likes Received:
    12,341
    Country Flag:
    India
    some ten years back we demonstrated agile warhead tech which allows us to change the flight path of warhead from being a parabolic to something new to create problems for BMD of any nation and we could vary the trajectory at will.
     
    Aqwoyk and lca-fan like this.
  14. lca-fan

    lca-fan Captain FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2015
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    3,314
    Country Flag:
    India
    Correct.
     
  15. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    507
    Likes Received:
    485
    Country Flag:
    India
    Shorya missile ?
     

Share This Page