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Should India follow Russian proposed Submarine Acquisition Blue Print?

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by layman, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    DRDO AIP will be ready. They failed to meet the 2016 timelines. That doesn't mean it's over.

    All future SSKs will have Indian AIP.
     
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  2. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Well I believe it when I see it, is the best way to go with DRDO.
    But still, because of them we fell back in numbers and techs and any future procurement should have at least in the first few subs a foreign AIP as a reliable option.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    We rejected DCNS FDI proposal for setting up AIP production saying ours are almost ready.
     
  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Which was a huge mistake to put the trust on DRDO alone. Same mistake that we saw in LCA, when we trusted them to develop an indigenous radar and engine, which caused much of the delays there too.
    DRDO / indigenous developments are needed, but should never be seen as only solution. We can't hamper with the security of the nation, only because they want to develop something on their own. Let them develop separately and we can upgrade or integrate their stuff later.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Please Don't bring up the same topic discussed to death over the ages.

    One thing is sure. Eventually DRDO will solve the problem. Be it UTTAM, Kaveri or AIP, even at the expense of operational needs.
     
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  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Well, depends on how much external help they get. Pulse doppler MMR fixed with Israeli stuff, Kaveri fixed with French stuff, UTTAM...let's see.
    Another reason why I prefer to go for joint developments from the start, rather than paying foreign companies for consultancy later.
     
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  7. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    A&N will have its own SSK squadron [3-4 SSK] ,so that for anything in that region, the response time can be reduced and A&N has a permanent submarine deployment deterring any landing force.

    The problem with SSNs is , they are not coming fast. And this reason will push us to have a dozen more SSK than what would we require.
     
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  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    To be fair though, in cases like FGFA or MTA, just as in Brahmos codevelopment, the Russians are giving us what others don't. In that case, Russia is definitely the best choice and I would love to see a jointly developed SSN with them, but AIP SSKs are available from different and better sources.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    It makes sense to have SSKs for ANC if they are meant only for defensive purposed of the A&N islands and the ANC isn't used as a force projection force. In that case it makes sense to have the SSNs remain with ENC.
     
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  10. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    MTA is dead. India pulled out. FGFA is following suite.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    ANC does have significant force projection capability - 01 x Amphibious Brigade with reinforcements from Hyderabad based Infantry Division, so called RAMFOR.
     
  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The point was, that so far nobody else offers us such impotant partnerships. That they are delayed or fail, is a different issue.
     
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  13. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Only to protect the islands not to attack any of our enemies.
    It has strategic importance because of the location and we can't afford to lose it to an enemy, but for our operations and because of the uncertainty of an earthquake effected region it's not a good choice.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I gave you a broad hint. I'd rather not elaborate. If this is the inference you derive from it, fair enough.
     
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