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Similarities between SU30MKI and JF17 Aircraft development and production programs

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by BlueOval, Feb 1, 2011.

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  1. BlueOval

    BlueOval Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    For those who jumped off from their seats the moment they read the thread title. Calm down folks. No one is comparing two fighter Jets here.....no body is saying SU30 MKI is in anyways comparable to JF17.


    The intent of this thread is to highlight and discuss the similarities between the development and production programs.


    For starter:

    SU30MKI program details:

    1. The Sukhoi Su-30MKI is a multirole combat aircraft jointly-developed by Russia's Sukhoi Corporation and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for the Indian Air Force (IAF).
    2. Su-30MKI was jointly designed by Russia's Sukhoi Corporation and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
    3. The MKI's airframe evolved from that of the Sukhoi Su-27 while most of the avionics were developed by India.
    4. Development of the variant started after India signed a deal with Russia in 2000 to manufacture 140 Su-30 fighter jets.
    5. The first Russian-made Su-30MKI variant was accepted into the Indian Air Force in 2002.
    6. The first indigenously assembled Su-30MKI entered service with the IAF in 2004.
    7. The aircraft is tailor-made for Indian specifications and integrates Indian systems and avionics as well as French and Israeli subsystems.
    8. The aircraft has abilities similar to the Sukhoi Su-35 with which it shares many features and components.
    9. Numbers Built: 110
    10. MKK and MKM variants used by 9 countries including Russia, Malaysia and China


    JF17 program details:

    1. The JF-17 Thunder is a light-weight, single-engine, multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by the Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAC) of China, the Pakistan Air Force and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).
    2. The JF-17/FC-1 is a sub-$20 million fighter designed as a co-operative venture between Pakistan and China to replace Chinese A-5C (massively modified MiG-19), F-7P (MiG-21+), and French Mirage 3/5 aircraft in Pakistan’s fleet.
    3. Fighter is a step up from its Chinese MiG-19/21 derivatives, and French Mirage fighters.
    4. Pakistan and China signed the Letter of Intent for the joint development of the JF-17 (then called "Super-7") in 1998, followed by the signing of the Contract in 1999.
    5. The project was delayed due to the inability to acquire an avionics and radar package. The maiden test flight of the first prototype took place during 2003 in China, later test flights with a modified design with Divertless Supersonic Intakes, and a modified tail design took place in 2006.
    6. Deliveries to the Pakistan Air Force for further flight testing and evaluation began in 2007, the aircraft's first aerial display also taking place that year in Islamabad, Pakistan. The Pakistan Air Force officially inducted its first JF-17 squadron on 18 February 2010.
    7. Numbers Built: 14
    8. China also has options to produce them, but has made no firm decisions and seems unenthusiastic.


    So here we have two fighters separated by a generation...... produced under similar programs..... so next time someone (you know who) starts gloating that they have produced a fighter faster than India ......all we need to do is.. tell them ....what they are doing right now ...India has done a decade back....and that too with a better result.



    Comments and rants are welcome.
     
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  2. THE_MAGNIFICENT

    THE_MAGNIFICENT 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Still you can't compare. India make mission computers avionics and displays. pakistan just assemble or license produce chinese product.
     
  3. Coltsfan

    Coltsfan <b>SENIOR MEMBER</b> SENIOR MEMBER

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    ^^

    I think we should stop comparing ourselves with Pakistan though. That would only bring us down with the standards being so low.
     
  4. Tshering22

    Tshering22 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Agreed. Even our armed forces stopped comparing to Pakistan after 1999 and focused their attention on Chinese. Today, our doctrine is China-centric which automatically means that any measure we take with this in mind, automatically becomes an overkill for our western neighbour. We should not bring ourselves down to their level. The day US moved away from cradling Pakistani economy in 1991 after Soviet collapse their reality came jumping out of the woods in front of the whole damn world.
     
  5. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    NO mate he is not bringing India down he is only doing this to shut a certain some one up thats all.......
     
  6. Hashu

    Hashu Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    y r we comparing the great MKI with JF-17? JF-17 should be compared with the LCA!
     
  7. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Read the post above yours......
    Besides people compare Su-30 MKI with raptor !!!!!
    Comparison is no problem only when people imply that both aircraft have similar capabilities problem arises.......
     
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  8. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    What a joke..
    You are comparing JF-17 development with SU-30MKI development lol JF-17 is brand new aircraft jointly developed by CHINA and PAKISTAN.
    Pakistan engineers involved in development, designing and manufacturing phase from day one.

    SU-30 is based on SU-27PU first flight 31Dec 1989 any proof that India was involved in SU-30 program funding or development in 1980's?
    For example MRCA and FGFA aircrafts, India involvement in development or designing of aircraft is 0.0%, same is the case with SU-30MKI.


    The correct comparison is JF-17 development with LCA development.

    JF-17 successful project, number built 30 (16 aircrafts operational with black spider Squadron and 2nd squadron is ready induction will take place in March 2011).

    LCA 30 years of development and complete disaster.
     
  9. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Wrong

    SU-35 is advanced 4.5G fighter jet with AESA radar and small RCS(3m2), No canards, new engines and LCD glass cockpit.
    Many technologies of SU-30MKI are outdated Bars radar, elephant size RCS etc.
     
  10. Gene

    Gene FULL MEMBER

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    thats called sarcasm..in one hand you are outrightly rejected the comparison between su-30 & jf-17,on the other hand you are comparing jf-17 with tejas..
    by your logic jf-17 is a joint development project,where as LCA is indigenous project.there should be no comparison.

    future will tell weather Tejas project is successful or not.
     
  11. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    he is not comparing for one on one fight its only technical data and manufacturer process
     
  12. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    n001 bars radar specification is still classified and even in training mode it is able to beat f-15 and if big su-35 have 3m2 rcs
    then defenetly mki cal also got this
     
  13. Coltsfan

    Coltsfan <b>SENIOR MEMBER</b> SENIOR MEMBER

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    Notice the use of the phrase "involved" as quoted by my friend. IMO "being involved" entailed rubber necking trying to see over Chinese shoulders to see what they were doing. :lol:

    Here's is how the Pakistani engineers got the extensive experience required for being involved in the development, designing and manufacturing of JF-17 as given on PAC website


    After manufacturing (under license) Mushshak, Pakistani engineers made a quantum leap and came up with Super Mushshak.

    So my dear friends, India should stop competing with the brilliant Pakistani engineers, otherwise they will unleash their super secret Gen 7+ aircraft and finally take revenge of Pakistani dismemberment done to them 40 years ago :tongue1:
     
  14. WARrior

    WARrior 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    its foolish to compare JF-17 with MKI.

    we can atmost compare tejas with thunder. both are of same class as of now ie, light combat.

    Well just for introduction, i wud say, time taken is and shud not be da parameter to judge an aircraft. its the current components and technology used.

    in simple words, thunder is only for 15 mn and tejas is for 30 mn.

    now u can only imagine what stands where.
     
  15. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Its not classified download the official brochure from manufacture website.
     
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