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Sino-US Confrontation - a radical view

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  1. rocky.idf

    rocky.idf BANNED BANNED

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    That below is a Chinese blogger's assesment of possible fall-out from a Sino-US confrontation which seems to draw in Asian nations including India.



    U.S. pivot to Asia: How China Can Turn The Table


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    The confrontational U.S. pivot to Asia is an opportunity for China's own pivot to Asia.

    The U.S. pivot to Asia is based on a simple premise. Currently, the U.S. possesses an advantage in naval strength and it wants to leverage it to slow or stop China's development. All of the confrontations by India, Vietnam, and the Philippines have been at sea.

    Recently, the Indian Navy Chief said India would dispatch Indian warships to challenge China's two-thousand-year-old territorial claims from the Han Dynasty in the South China Sea. We have seen Vietnamese naval boats on incursions into Chinese territorial waters in the South China Sea. Also, we have seen Filipino naval troops stop and inspect Chinese fishing boats in our timeless fishing grounds in the South China Sea at Scarborough Shoal.

    All of these Indian, Vietnamese, and Filipino provocations are emboldened by an assumed support from the U.S. Navy. The logic is straightforward. The U.S. Navy is currently more powerful than the PLA Navy. The Indian, Vietnamese, and Filipino navies intend to call on the U.S. Navy to back up their provocations.

    China can turn the table on the anti-China coalition by ignoring the incidents at sea and emphasizing its strength as an Asian continental power. Here is my four-point plan.

    1. Upon the first confrontation between the PLA Navy and the U.S. Navy, the PLA Navy should withdraw. The PLA Navy is outgunned and withdrawal is the only option. However, the U.S. will pay a price for this confrontation.

    China should announce that its sea routes for energy and commerce are no longer secure due to American provocation. Hence, with regret, China will annex its former territory in Mongolia this afternoon. Fait accompli. China has grown stronger with the addition of 1,564,115 km2 of Mongolian land.

    Furthermore, Second Artillery can base new DF-41 10-MIRVed ICBMs hundreds of miles closer to the United States. This means less fuel is required and China can install larger megaton warheads.

    2. After the Indian Navy has invaded Chinese territorial waters, which is a repeat at sea of the 1962 Nehru Forward Policy, Chinese patience has finally run out. This will not be a generous 1962 border war. This time, we're going to take care of the Indians once and for all.

    Since India is a nuclear power, China is well within its rights to use its megaton DF-3A IRBMs to level the country. All major Indian military installations should be eliminated with 3.3 megaton thermonuclear warheads. Also, it is probably necessary to nuke New Delhi, Kolkata, and Mumbai to destroy Indian command and control centers. Without a functioning military and government, India will collapse in 24 hours.

    The PLA will move in for mop up operations. All Indians will be moved into Asian Gaza strips to prevent an endless guerilla war.

    3. Vietnam does not have nuclear weapons. Hence, China will have to bombard Vietnam with conventional weapons. This will probably take about two to four weeks. After the major Vietnamese military installations and a few key cities have been destroyed, the Vietnamese population will also be moved into Asian Gaza strips to prevent an endless guerilla war.

    4. The PLA Navy should be strong enough after twenty more years of build-up to challenge the American Navy. The PLA Navy will be backed by a flawless ASBM (which we expect after 20 years of additional refinement) and a powerful all-stealth PLA Air Force. We will take the Philippines and put them into Asian Gaza strips to prevent an endless guerilla war.

    After implementing my four-point plan, China will have become immensely more powerful. Firstly, the U.S. pivot to Asia would be dead. There are no longer populous countries that are available to support the U.S. pivot. Secondly, China's territorial and hence resource expansion would be tremendous.

    Territorially, China would have grown by 50%.

    China: 9,706,961 km2
    Mongolia: 1,564,115 km2
    India: 3,287,263 km2
    Vietnam: 331,210 km2
    Philippines: 300,000 km2
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    Greater China: 15,189,549 km2

    Another benefit is that China no longer has to worry about arable land. There is plenty of arable land in former India, Vietnam, and Philippines. The Israelis sleep well at night with the Palestinians in the Gaza strip. I see no reason why Chinese cannot sleep well at night with Indians, Vietnamese, and Filipinos in Asian Gaza strips.

    Greater China would be energy independent, because Mongolia is full of coal and minerals. We have acquired new buffer zones in the Philippines and Vietnam to keep the US Navy even further away. Also, we have a brand new coast along the Indian Ocean. It is a very short shipping route to offload MidEastern oil at formerly Mumbai. We can then ship the oil via pipeline to China's east coast.

    In conclusion, all Chinese should welcome the U.S. pivot to Asia. The American plan is to challenge, weaken, and humiliate China on the high seas. China has its own plan. We should use the American pivot to justify our annexation of Mongolia, India, Vietnam, and the Philippines.

    When foreigners exert pressure on our civilization, we have no choice and must fight back. Annexing our way to Greater China will make us more resistant to foreign pressure in the future and guarantee our safety. Let's surprise the Americans with China's pivot to Asia. Two can play this game.
     
  2. grond

    grond Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Are you sure this tard is a credible blogger... Seems like a random attention seeking troll ....
    Does he really think annexing countries will be so easy ...
    Can I have the link to his blog I have an urge to laugh at him...
     
  3. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    chinenes will bombard us and we will do nothing, how stupid? we will in one stroke librate Tibet, reducing the chinese area to less than half of what it is today.
     
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    WMD Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    i only read half the post, couldn't read more of this blabbering s**t
    this doesn't sound anything more than some Chinese a**hole's wet dream
     
  5. brahmos_ii

    brahmos_ii Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Seams this topic has been copieed from Chines Defence forum, here is the url U.S. pivot to Asia: How China Can Turn The Table
     
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  6. rocky.idf

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    1. Chairman Mao on China has selected leaders who have displayed wisdom and maturity consistently. Rarely does China react. China appears to weigh out possibilities carefully. But the Chinese have been proactive. The other point is that the Chinese nation are not known to be colonials.The economic progress of China must not be interdicted.

    2. On the other hand USA is a nation in debt individually, as a nation and as a Govt. They need continuous wars to sustain themselves and their capitalist civilization. Getting involved in a protracted series of conflict will only mean PRC has fallen into the trap set by the Neo Cons / MNCs / Money Barons / Arms Peddlers.

    3.With PRC becoming ever more powerful, it is inevitable that she would like to impose her version of the Monroe Doctrine. I use the word "impose" intentionally because PRC would be driven by internal dynamics and external factors to assert herself as a superpower. These dynamics and factors would be of varying magnitude but they would really shape PRC's policies.
     
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    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    :lol: at the article....even I can write such articles....

    The Chinese pivot to Asia is based on a simple premise. Currently, the Chinese possesses an advantage in naval strength and it wants to leverage it to slow or stop India's development. All of the confrontations by Pakistan and the Bangladesh have been at land.

    Recently, the Indian Navy Chief said India would dispatch Indian warships to challenge China's two-thousand-year-old territorial claims from the Han Dynasty in the South China Sea. We have seen Vietnamese naval boats on incursions into Chinese territorial waters in the South China Sea. Also, we have seen Filipino naval troops stop and inspect Chinese fishing boats in our timeless fishing grounds in the South China Sea at Scarborough Shoal.

    All of these Chinese, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi provocations are emboldened by an assumed support from the Chinese Navy. The logic is straightforward. The Chinese Navy is currently more powerful than the Indian Navy. The Pakistani, SriLankan, and Bangladeshi navies intend to call on the Chinese Navy to back up their provocations.

    India can turn the table on the anti-India coalition by ignoring the incidents at sea and emphasizing its strength as an Asian continental power. Here is my four-point plan.

    1. Upon the first confrontation between the PLA Navy and the India Navy, the India Navy should withdraw. The India Navy is outgunned and withdrawal is the only option. However, the China will pay a price for this confrontation.

    India should announce that its sea routes for energy and commerce are no longer secure due to Chinese provocation. Hence, with regret, India will annex its former territory in Bangladesh this afternoon. Fait accompli. India has grown stronger with the addition of X km2 of Bangladeshi land.

    Furthermore, Second Artillery can base new Agni-V hundreds of miles closer to the China. This means less fuel is required and India can install larger megaton warheads.

    2. After the Chinese Navy has invaded Chinese territorial waters, which is a repeat at sea of the 1967, Indian patience has finally run out. This will not be a generous 1967 border war. This time, we're going to take care of the Chinese once and for all.

    Since China is a nuclear power, India is well within its rights to use its megaton Agni-V to level the country. All major Chinese military installations should be eliminated with Undisclosed megaton thermonuclear warheads. Also, it is probably necessary to nuke New Bejing, SHangai, Hong-Kong to destroy Indian command and control centers. Without a functioning military and government, China will collapse in 8 hours.

    The India will move in for mop up operations. All Chinese will be moved into Tibetian Gaza strips to prevent an endless guerilla war.

    3. Bangladesh does not have nuclear weapons. Hence, India will have to bombard bangladesh with conventional weapons. This will probably take about two to four days. After the major Bangladeshi military installations and a few key cities have been destroyed, the Bangladeshi population will also be moved into Tibetian Gaza strips to prevent an endless guerilla war.

    4. China is already destroyed. No need for 4th point

    After implementing my four-point plan, India will have become immensely more powerful. Firstly, the Chinese pivot to Asia would be dead. There are no longer populous countries that are available to support the Chinese pivot. Secondly, India's territorial and hence resource expansion would be tremendous.

    Territorially, China would have grown by 550%.



    Another benefit is that India no longer has to worry about arable land. There is plenty of arable land in former China, Pakistan, and Srilanka. The Israelis sleep well at night with the Palestinians in the Gaza strip. I see no reason why Indian cannot sleep well at night with Chinese, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi in Tibetian Gaza strips.

    Greater India would be energy independent, because China is full of coal and minerals. We have acquired new buffer zones in the Philippines and Vietnam to keep the US Navy even further away. Also, we have a brand new coast along the Indian Ocean. It is a very short shipping route to offload MidEastern oil.. We can then ship the oil via pipeline to Indian east coast.

    In conclusion, all Indian should welcome the Chinese pivot to Asia. The Chinese plan is to challenge, weaken, and humiliate India on the high seas. India has its own plan. We should use the Chinese pivot to justify our annexation of China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and the Sri-Lanka

    When foreigners exert pressure on our civilization, we have no choice and must fight back. Annexing our way to Greater India will make us more resistant to foreign pressure in the future and guarantee our safety. Let's surprise the Chinese with India's pivot to Asia. Two can play this game.


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    This one is more realistic than the current article.
     
  8. grond

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    1 Chairman Mao was a disgrace to communism and selected his cronies who ensured China will elect his mindnumb slaves.

    2 China is in debt of nearly 200billion$ dollars

    3 With fags on rise like this its inevitable that their butts be whacked by a military with actual experience..

    Also you are a troll nothing more, Just out to cause hate .. I even registered in CDF but the only reason I didnt post was because then it feeds trolls like you..
    I request mods to delete this thread..
     
  9. neil_diablos

    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    I suggest you first focus on your own country (which by the way was a gift from India). It seems you have forgotten how the West Pakistanis butt kicked you guys all the way (this actually is a polite way of describing what they actually did to you) from Dhaka to Sylhett and we had to bail you out. Still you guys have retained your anti-india sentiment through some sort of inherent inferiority complex. How cute!

    Stay happy with what you have. Stop singing and dancing to the tunes of the Chinese commies, otherwise you will lose whatever land you have left (after the other half has been flooded due to a bit of excessive rainfall).

    Choinik shampraday ke dekhe beshi nacha nachi korsos kan? Poschim pakistani der thekeo kharap obostha koira chhaira dibe! Hok kotha boltasi!
     
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  10. rocky.idf

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    1. The subject is pressing and relevant to the current global politics. This is an interesting topic to discuss right at this time in history. One who cannot comprehend this should stay off instead of talking rubbish.

    2. Rarely has any nation sacrificed so much for independence as we have. Pakistan was our idea, and when we felt threatened by the smaller wing, the West, we just fought them off. Our freedom was nobody's gift. Not at all. People have been left by colonial powers in the hands of their lackeys who continued with their system. Not us. We fought with guns.
     
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    it is good be proud but it is not a good idea to ignore facts
     
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    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Correct and therefore you should clam up!

    Oh please cut the crap now will you??

    You reaped the harvest from the seeds that you sowed. It was your masterpeice of an idea to become a part of Pakistan. East Bengalis (Bangladeshis) were culturally much more closer to India than West Pakistan. Except for Religion you guys had nothing in common with them except for your religion and yet you choose to stick with them. Look at what your religious brethren did to you and the same Republic of India whom you had refused to join had to come and bail you out!

    Yes you fought with guns! You fought with guns after WE trained you and aided the muktibahini to fight! We could have easily stripped off your dignity and forced you to re-join India and there was nothing you could have done. However we respected your sovereignty and helped you guys form an independent Government!

    As a first step you should learn to acknowledge the benefits that were bestowed upon your country by us.
     
  13. Skull and Bones

    Skull and Bones Doctor Death Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Reality Check

    Having seen some Bangladeshis talking about the Siliguri corridor commonly known as 'The chicken neck' is the most vulnerable point of India, and conquering it can isolate entire NE from India, i'd say 'Come at me, Bro.'

    There's no place in India, or perhaps in Indian subcontinent as militarized as the surrounding of Siliguri. 3 Air force fighter base, at a distance of less than 50 km from each other, dozens of helicopter bases. More than 400 T-72 tanks, and unknown quantity of artillery units, and near 1 lakh soldiers stationed around the military base in Siliguri, maybe more than that.

    In short, only Siliguri has enough fire power than entire Bangladesh. :partay:
     
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:....AD INFINITUM
     
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    Skull and Bones Doctor Death Staff Member MODERATOR

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    That's mental masturbation of someone by the name 'Martin'. I don't blame him though, that's how a segment of Chinese earns their livelihood.
     
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