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Size Difference Between T-14 And T-90

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by Agent_47, Nov 14, 2016.

  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Why the change in size ? Did they change the doctrine?
     
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    More than size the ground pressure matters.
     
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    I think his question was different.
     
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    I don't think there is change in doctrine, ofcourse with change in time the brigade configuration will evolve. As far as the size change, it won't impede mobility or terrain-capability, as I suspect the ground pressure would be comparable on both systems.
     
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    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    My understanding is that there is a perceived change in doctrine to tackle the heavy MBTs fielded by NATO forces. Plus it's 1 step into the future, it could be the first fully automated tank as well as the first tank to sport a 155mm smoothbore gun.

    Good Day!
     
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    155mm?? It is still 125 mm for Armata.
     
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    Perhaps a shift from mass produced less costly tanks less based on crew comfort and more on fielding adequately large numbers to overcome technological gaps, and more in conformity to design practice of west for greater crew comfort and survivability without compromise in weight (at 48 tonnes), as also the advanced protective suites may be the most striking feature?

    Obvioulsy this will entail a change in doctrine and various SOPs as the tank has crossed into more expensive domain, thereby eating a larger share of the defense budget, perhaps forcing Russia to field lesser numbers in comparision to the relatively cheaper T-72s and T-90s as also T-80s (more costly to run being gas turbine engines).
     
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    GuardianRED 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Excellent Docu on The T-14

    Though it is in Russian (Auto Translate) , one can see the interiors + some of its capabilities!



    There is also an explanation to why one broke down during a test parade
     
  9. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The T-14 and T-90 weigh the same.
     
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  10. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The tank also costs the same as the T-90, $3.75M.
     
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  11. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    indeed the move is to counter heavier mbts. IMO t54/55, t62 , t72, t80, t90 were all medium tanks that traded armor for maneuverability/speed which made sense but now heavy mbts sport 1500hp+ powerpacks and low ground pressures making them just as fast as mts. But a 70 ton mbt will any day provide better protection than a 40-50tn mt.

    but t14 concentrates it armor around the crew module which is indeed an interesting approach.

    however a heavy mbt can take punishment and still return fire but what if armata takes a hit and the turret is knocked out of action owing to not having enough armor, the crew will survive but the tank will be rendered useless. not saying that a heavy mbt is will be impenetrable , its just that its less likely to take damage on critical modules barring tracks.

    imo heavy mbts are here to stay for a long time.
     
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    I stand corrected, it's 152mm and I was talking about future versions. Even an unmanned version is in the cards. But again to clarify, I was only talking about the future versions of Armata and nothe the first version.

    https://www.rt.com/news/258473-armata-t14-powerful-shell/
     
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  13. flanker143

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    Increasing the gun calibre doesn't make much sense to me, since mostly Apfds rounds for used for anti tank ops and increasing gun calibre wont make alot difference since ke penetrators are much thinner anyway.

    so unless they are packing in a lot more propellant, it wont make a difference, west would have come up with a solution like this long back if this game had been this easy.

    the same effect can be had by using higher energy propellant or increasing barrel length or both.

    judging by the quality of journalism these days, im pretty sure a self propelled howitzer was being discussed and this guy got it all mixed up.
     
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