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Small Modular Reactors

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, Sep 16, 2017.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    No. And that's not true anyway.

    Most reactors survive 60 years, new reactors are good for 100 years. They have made all the profits in the world before decommissioning comes up.

    India simply doesn't allow private sector participation in running nuclear reactors because we can't afford some dumb company to slip up and help proliferation, knowingly or unknowingly.
     
  2. BMD

    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    If it's not true, show me one privately owned nuclear company that has ever paid decommissioning costs.

    No reactor has ever operated for 60 years, the first one was only commissioned 61 years ago and that shut down in 2003 after 46.5 years.

    Which are yet further reasons surrounding the problems with nuclear power generation.
     
  3. The enlightened

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    7 million premature deaths annually linked to air pollution
    News release

    25 MARCH 2014 | GENEVA - In new estimates released today, WHO reports that in 2012 around 7 million people died - one in eight of total global deaths – as a result of air pollution exposure. This finding more than doubles previous estimates and confirms that air pollution is now the world’s largest single environmental health risk. Reducing air pollution could save millions of lives.



    3.5million from biomass. And these are from normal operations every year. No need for any accident.:tsk:

    Renewables from Hydro already killed a million people. Banquiao alone responsible for 230000. And yet you will never hear any anti-dam paranoia.

    At least half of those deaths could have been prevented annually had the nuclear build up not been stopped by retarded antinukes. Wind and Solar can never do that. They are just a backdoor for more fossil fuels.

    Nukes are not only the safest and cheapest source of energy, they are life saving! And the only one that can be built on the scale necessary to replace deadly fossil and biomass. The French built their current capacity in just 2 decades from the 60's to 80's. And their electricity costs half that of renewable Germans and Danes!
     
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  4. randomradio

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    You are referring to ancient reactors designed after WW2.
     
  5. BMD

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    Only evidence available.
     
  6. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Irrelevant evidence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIRUS_reactor

    It ran for 56 years and was shut down on US insistence in 2010 as part of the nuclear deal even if the reactor had a life of 20 more years.
     
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    No proof. No reactor has ran for 60 years.
     
  8. randomradio

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    Good thing that your opinion is irrelevant.
     
  9. The enlightened

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    Just like Wind and Solar!:biggthumpup:
     
  10. randomradio

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    If you have a 1000sq ft roof, then stick 10KW worth of solar panels there and sell it to the govt, you won't regret it.

    I estimate I would earn 30L at the end of 25 years even if I take a personal loan of 10L for it.

    Of course, you need 300+ days of sunshine on average for 10 hours.
     
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    It's a fact.
     
  12. The enlightened

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    While that may very well have a positive net cash flow for individuals, think about it on a grid scale. If even half the consumers started dumping excess load in the noon; shuttering base load power sources besides overloading the grid, it would collapse. The price of feed-in tariff will plummet and that charged by discoms will rise. Nuclear power would not be able to operate economically with the idle time imposed by intermittents and will shut down thus depriving us of the only environmentally friendly source of energy. Soon you will be left with intermittents and its deadly gas backup.

    As much is happening around the world. If intermittents want to power the grid they must do so by having on-site storage to provide dispatchable power, rather than the current policy of priority access.
     
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    The number I gave you comes with onsite storage.

    Even if 1 million people join in with 10KW PVs, they will at best dump only a few million units at a time. The grid can easily handle that much. And it's peanuts compared to what cities really needs.

    Their plan is to sell this power to the industry.
     
  14. The enlightened

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    Source for numbers?

    Then you are not thinking in terms of global or national energy requirements where windsolar is quite useless and even detrimental.

    Industry wants constant baseload power. They won't stop and start production depending on when the sun is shining or Wind is blowing.

    The only good use for solar is for Aircon in the summer sun. But that is not sufficient to economically operate them.
     
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    80k/KW. For 10KW, it will cost you 8L. You will need about 1L for backup, if you want, and 1L for LCC. Total = 10L.

    At 10 hours a day, 300 days a year, you can make 30000 units a year. A city like Bangalore has more sunshine/daylight than 10 hours a day.

    30000 units at Rs 7/day is 2,10,000 per year. That's 52L in 25 years. In 5 years you break even. If you consume half, then it will take only 10 years.

    Of course, inflation will remove most of the punch, but you have already broken even and saved yourself from increasing tariffs.

    No, I am not talking about grid scale. BESCOM will supply reliable power as well as power from rooftop solar to the industry.

    In fact BESCOM is happy if you forget about exporting power and get enough just for your own use.
     

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