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Some Staggeringly Disproportionate Numbers (between Indian & Pakistani Civil Airlines)

Discussion in 'Education & Research' started by Gessler, May 17, 2017.

  1. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    I've been doing some research about how the various Indian passenger aviation agencies are doing, I've been staring at some huge numbers ever since and after I managed to compile a list based on available sources on the open web...I decided to take a look at how the things are going with our Western neighbour. The sheer difference between the numbers somewhat baffled me.

    Unlike the Indian civil aviation sector which is growing at a tremendous pace (look at the number of aircraft on order by each airline), the same scale (or something atleast proportionate to their current fleet size) fails to show up in the Pakistani sector. I don't understand - there is HUUGE talk across the border about growth of economy and what not, but why doesn't this reflect in any quantifiable manner in this crucial sector which is an integral part & indicator of growth? Have a look -

    Indian Airline: ac currently in service; ac on order; total

    • IndiGo: 131; 411; 542
    • SpiceJet: 52; 206; 258
    • Jet: 114; 89; 203
    • GoAir: 25; 139; 164
    • Air India: 113; 24; 137
    • Air India Express: 23
    • Vistara: 13; 7; 20
    • AirAsia India: 8
    • AllianceAir: 11; 3; 14
    • AirOdisha: 7
    • TruJet: 4; 1; 5
    • Air Carnival: 1
    • FlyEasy: 1; 1; 2
    • Ventura AirConnect: 2
    • ZoomAir: 1
    • Chhattisgarh AirLink: 3
    • ClubOne Air: 1
    • Confident: 1
    • Taj Air: 3
    • BlueDart: 14
    • QuikJet: 1
    Total: 529 in service, 881 on order. 1410 planes in total.

    Note:
    Only fixed-wing aircraft are taken into account. The list may not be 100% accurate and yes, by the time all the ordered aircraft are delivered, some of the ones in service right now will be retired/sold off to third parties. But this is all relative and the numbers tell us how many aircraft are being talked about in general.

    Pakistani Airline: ac currently in service; ac on order; total

    • PIA: 32; 8; 40
    • AirBlue: 8
    • Aksari: 1
    • ASSL: 5
    • Princely: 2
    • SereneAir: 3
    • ShaheenAir: 16; 3; 19
    • StarAir: 3
    • VisionAir: 3
    Total: 73 in service, 11 on order. 84 planes in total.

    1). Pak airlines currently have 13.79% of the number of aircraft Indian airlines currently have.

    2). The number of aircraft on order by Pak airlines is only 1.24% of the number of planes on order by Indian airlines.

    3). In total, Pak airlines have 5.95% of the aircraft (in service & on order) of Indian airlines.

    Btw, I'd like to take this opportunity to appreciate just how good the two top private airlines in the country, IndiGo and SpiceJet, are doing. These two airlines have recently concluded orders of 450+ twin-jet passenger planes between them (250 Airbus A320neo for IndiGo and 205 Boeing-737MAX for SpiceJet) with a combined worth of nearly $50 billion, which also represent some of the biggest orders the two aircraft giants Airbus & Boeing have ever received, both in terms of value & number of airframes. Having traveled in them both, I can personally say these two companies are currently at the top of their game and seriously deserve all the praise they get & more...especially in comparison to the likes of state-run Air India, which is, well, meh...

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  2. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Poor comparision. Try with US:tongue:
     
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  3. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    That would be unfair. Developed capitalist country v/s developing country which was socialist until the 90s. A comparison with China would be more apt.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    You got the point ...:biggthumpup:

    You can not compare to Pakistan Autonomous Region .... China is apt.

    Now a military twist ... see the air lift capacity we have and yet people doubt cold start :biggthumpup:
     
  5. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Shouldn't one take in to account the customers too (ie where economics come to play too). In india we have a growing population that can easily afford to air travel and this is in-turn reciprocated by the airline with cheaper airfare/mega offers
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    With increase connectivity we see can the influx of international passengers both foreign and indians adding to this grown

    On the other hand

    I have met plenty of on board crews and staff who collectively say that one of the worst destination for them to service is unfortunately is pakistan mostly because of the unruly passengers . One who works for Air Arabia, told me that one of her colleagues was assaulted at the rear of the plane during the landing pre-ops, she was so traumatized, she couldn't recognized who did it and since the plane was landing - the idiot got away scott free

    again example of unruly passengers

     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    It's about time we develop civil aviation industry. :dude:
     
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    Levina Colonel on stilettos SENIOR MEMBER

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    Heard the govt has pumped 2500 Cr into the industry.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    We need a new corporation with solid long term vision. Like what China did last decade. From RTA to narrow body jetliner.

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    C919 first flight was last week.
     
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    bharathp Developers Guild IDF NewBie

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    kudos for taking the time to compile this. Honestly!

    of course comparison with Pakistan is not apt in some respects - the sheer size of our country dictates that we have massive transport systems. Also - have you seen the night shot from space of the Indian sub continent? that should tell all the story of the so called development of the western neighbor. Just wait for CPEC. their only way to live will be who controls the are of the road to collect the tolls. a Nation based on living off the tolls but producing zilch.
     
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    GSLV Mk III Captain FULL MEMBER

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    They haven't yet approved it !!!
     
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