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'Sort Afghan mess or Russia will, Pakistan army told US': Pak source to The Telegraph

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  1. lca-fan

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    'Sort Afghan mess or Russia will, Pakistan army told US': Pak source to The Telegraph

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    A file photo of US soldiers in Afghanistan.
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    • After a 16-year-long campaign, Western troops have started to pull out of Afghanistan
    • This long campaign though has only been partially successful
    • Since the withdrawal, things are back to being a 'total mess' in Afghanistan, a Pakistan army source said
    NEW DELHI: Pakistan's military has told Washington to sort out the "total mess" in Afghanistan because not doing so might tempt Russia to stage a Syrian-style intervention in their country, reported British newspaper The Telegraph, quoting a high-level Pakistan army source.

    The source is convinced that if ISIS leaves or is pushed out of Syria and Iraq, "the next place for them to gather in is Afghanistan." And the alleged collapse in security since the beginning of the withdrawal of Western troops from Afghanistan- following a 16-year-old partially successful campaign - has meant the West now faced "losing control", the source added, in the article published today.
    This is the "total mess" that Russia could use as an excuse to extend military operations into Afghanistan, said the senior Pakistan army source who didn't wish to be named, to The Telegraph. As it is, many in the Russia government fear the West is using ISIS as "a plot to destabilise its backyard" in Central Asia.

    In fact, Russia last month held a conference on Afghanistan, along with China, India, Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan. Some analysts said this signalled Russia's intention to play a more active role in AfPak.

    The Pakistan army source said that in a meeting last month with the 'Resolute Support Mission' commander US General John Nicholson, the American admitted that Afghan forces were in a stalemate against the Taliban.

    To that, Pakistani army officials told Nicholson: "A stalemate is still a win for the Taliban." The source added to The Telegraph: "We have told General (James) Mattis that Afghanistan is slipping out of control, and that if things are not put right, America will have a huge crisis on its hands." Mattis is US defense secretary.

    'Can't teach a donkey to gallop'

    Pakistan has been criticizing Afghanistan for not doing enough against terrorists on its soil, but the Pakistan army source admitted to The Telegraph that Kabul limited by the capabilities - or the lack thereof - of the Afghan National Army.

    "The problem", the source said, " is that you can't teach a donkey to gallop."

    "There are 350,000 troops in the Afghan Army, but only about 20,000 are capable of combat missions. They also have about 1,000 Generals, most of whom are appointed because of their tribal affiliations rather than on merit. The problem is that you can't teach a donkey to gallop," the Pakistan source told The Telegraph.
    http://m.timesofindia.com/world/pak...rce-to-the-telegraph/articleshow/57497628.cms
     
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    lca-fan Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Did Pakistani army grew balls over night or smoked Afghan weed? Challenging America and provoking & inviting Russia both at the same time.
     
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    This is not much more than a scorned lover's desperate plea for a rapproachment, coupled with a threat to seek a new beau. It ain't gonna work. :D
     
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    Why not?
    Donkey can gallop, with right motivation.
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  5. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The Russians are banking on Pakistani control on Haqqani Network and Afghan Taliban.

    They[Russians] will again loose here, albeit a bigger one than last time, untill they give up their present plans.
     
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    How much money you can bet on our loose, friend?
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Till Russia is banking on Pakistan for Afghanistan.

    Anything !
     
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    YarS Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    OK. If we'll win - you will get stability in Afghanistan, elimination of Islamists, safe trade routes (including pipes), tourists from Russia and special discount on oil and gas prices.
    If we'll loose - you will get ulcer of terrorism and drug production near your borders, instability in your Islamic regions, high prices on resourses and transport. Are you still ready to bet on our loose? Really it is indifferent to us, who will help us to build order in Afghanistan. You can help us, Pakistan can help us. We'll be grateful for any support.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Well if you[Russia] continue to pursue the present path,you [Russia] does the opposite of what you are stating.

    You are banking on Afghan Taliban and Haqqani Network to bring peace.

    Well the only way to stabilize, and bring peace in Afghanistan is to force Pakistan to get its act straight and stop supporting terrorists.

    Because let this be clear ,we are better off with the current situation , rather than a Taliban Power Sharing Pact in Afghanistan.

    And let this too be clear , we have much more tools in Afghanistan than pakistani have and any attempt to bring Afghan Taliban and other terror groups to power will see sure shot opposition from our side on ground in Afghanistan.
     
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    Afghanistan isn't Syria where the Russians can get in & get out on their whims & fancy . It's closer home .After their last misadventure in Afghanistan , wonder why is Russia so keen on getting in ?

    This has more to do with the Great Game Part 2.While what you have described in your posts are plausible justifications why Russia in concert with Iran may want to interfere in Afghanistan , on the face of it given the murky , extremely fluid & volatile nature of power play in this part of the world , those reasons look more like the tip of the iceberg , concealing much much more than they reveal .

    One thing is for sure , Russia won't commit ground troops to such a venture .Any thing else will involve proxies . There are already a surfeit of players with their proxies there .A perfect recipe for disaster . Too many cooks in action .One can expect a spoiled broth.
     
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    It doesn't matter whether Russia, USA, India or China wins or loose, coz the area is a complete mess and it is more important that the people of that country should win. We have already seen what happened to Iraq and now Syria, any armed intervention should be approved by the people of Afghanistan i.e. elected governments consent should be respected.

    It is more important to see the way you are fighting and against whom you are fighting. If you think that you can join hands with the so called "Moderate Taliban", then get the approval of the people first, just don't decide by yourself coz it suits your interest, just the way Pakistan is doing at the moment.
     
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    Sorry friends, but backing a Taliban is just an another turn in big game. Allow me present my personal ideas about next turns.
    Turn one: eliminate pro-Yanks government.
    Turn two: burn out all poppy fields, blast all heroin labs and kill everybody, who will try to protect it.
    Turn three: Build in the heart of Kabul big Christian Temple, and kill everybody who will try to attack it.
    Everybody who will survive will be very tolerant and not drug-dealer.
    Then - turn four: building bridges, tunnels and roads, mining facilities.
     
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    Mess there is a result of geographic - mountains does not allow to build order. So, to make one power, one law, one order - we need build tunnels and bridges.

    Really not. Government, established by Yanks should be eliminated. Yanks need disorder in the centre of Eurasia.

    Really we are interested not in labels, but in deeds. If they will burn poppy fields - they will be "good guys". If they will try to burn Christian Temple - they will be eliminated.
     
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    No kidding .Reads like a cakewalk.Where were you all these years ?? How come I didn't run into you online before ? Za zda ro vye brat.
     
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    Russians are not doing jack over there. Remember Diametrically opposite side of NA was backed by India and Russia. If anything Taliban network cannot stand the Russians.
     
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