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Stealth is dead.

Discussion in 'Greater Asia & Middle East' started by Picdelamirand-oil, Jun 11, 2015.

  1. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Stealth is dead.
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    via Jewish Business News.
    Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) unveiled a unique, highly advanced family of modular Ultra High Frequency (UHF) Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar.
    The new radar, developed by IAI’s ELTA Systems Group and subsidiary, has a formidable capability of Early Warning and long range search and tracking of low observable Air Breathing Targets (ABTs), and ballistic missiles.
    The radars offer an advantage of low RCS target detection at long ranges, operation under all weather conditions, and in the presence of dense electromagnetic environments.
    The ULTRA radar, already operationally proven, uses a modular, common UHF-band cluster architecture capable of wide angle electronic scan in both elevation and azimuth. The basic cluster can be modularly scaled to 6 and up to a 22 cluster configuration which offers extended detection ranges and tracking accuracies. Other cluster configurations are possible to meet specific customer’s requirements.Here.

    Airpower Australia predicted this years ago. Many laughed but who's laughing now?

    IAI is selling this? You can have it configured to your needs?

    That means Israel already has a more advanced version that is classified, already in service and probably already tested against the very best versions of the F-35, F-22 and B-2.

    The Israelis probably can see what we're doing and how we're doing it whether we like it or not....remember you sometimes develop capabilities to keep eyes on "friends" as well as enemies.

    Stealth is dead. It had a good 30-40 year run but its an evolutionary dead end.

    On to the next new thing.

    SNAFU!: Stealth is dead.
     
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  2. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    i cant say stealth is dead

    but surely isreal really produces some weapons especially radars/EW systems which can change the scenario of battles

    & India should opt for it if possible to counter chinese Stealth plane

    CHEERS
     
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    positron Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Now you have a bit of an idea why India has Israeli avionics in Tejas, and why Israel wants to put its own Avionics in F-35?
    Also in a way why I feel SPECTRA is over rated.
     
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    abhitej Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Will be easily detected by satellites & destroyed by missiles before stealth fighters starts operation. Waste of money.
     
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    positron Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Will be detected yes, but how would you Target it? Ballistic missile?
    IF yes then why do you need air force? Increase Ballistic missile force
     
  6. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The name "SPECTRA" is because the system works in all frequencies of the "spectre" so obviously it works also in the frequency of this system (UHF): this system can counter structural stealth but not electronic stealth, it's why Rafale is 6th generation.
     
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    positron Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Spectra is over-rated and rafale fan boys have been just trying to make it short of Romulan cloaking device
    The Range of this system is 500kms+ where SPECTRA will not have any clue whatsoever what to jam Now do not try to say something illogical about Spectra XR etc etc. BTW if you feel this makes Rafale 6th Gen, then I am very sure that Indian DM will be very happy to dismiss Rafale as requirement.
    Considering the sudden increase of Rafale fan boys, it seems that Rafale is bound to be out
     
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    Features
    • Autonomous very long range detection and acquisition of targets with low Radar Cross Section (RCS)
    • Detection and classifcation of BMs, satellites and airborne targets
    • Digital beam forming technology
    • Modular design 1,6 clusters, and up to 22 clusters (depicted on front page)
    • Multi-mode operation - simultaneous tracking of BMs, airborne targets and satellites
    • Very wide and fexible spatial coverage
    • Accurate impact and launch point estimation
    • Advance Electronic Counter Counter Measure (ECCM) capabilities
    • Interoperability with complementary legacy air defense system
    • Advanced on-line Built-In Test (BIT) capabilities
    • Data recording and analysis capability
    • Transportable confguration
    • Stand alone power and cooling subsystem
    • Field proven
     
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    That is a clear message for the country developing stealth only based on the shape factor. Shape factor is good but not sufficient.
    French took the good decision to priories electronic stealth, electronic can be update, the shape can not be ;-) Rafale is definitively advanced technologically and even from a philosophy point of view. That is also why as any top advanced technology some people are too limited to understand it and so try to blame it.
     
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    Thats what future is. Missiles + unmanned planes.
     
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    abhitej Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    If this Isreali radar & Spectra radar can generate same frequencies then why the difference in size. Do you think that Isrealis are fools to build such a large radar to generate UHF frequencies & Rafale with its tiny jammer can spoof it.
     
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    do have a look on the range for both these systems

    y dont u compare them .... this way all will know + & -
     
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    Unmanned planes are definitely the future, about the missiles there might be new developments something like a MRM multi role missile that is capable of Defeating armour as well as plane or ship, This way any plane becomes multi role
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    All kind of methods of stealth as stated in various threads are useless. The Shreemad Bhagwat Geeta has the clue to stealth. Sreemad Baghwat Geeta has 700 shlokas in it. Of which 525 were spoken by Lord Krishna and 85 were spoken by Arjuna which were mostly questions. In the chapter about how a GURU shud behave, Arjuna asked the Lord, Who is your Guru and who taught you? The Lord replied,"Prakriti (Nature) created by me is my Guru, I learn from it". Now if we apply the same principle about nature, we will know that to be stealthy, you need to be small and be able to blend in with the surroundings or be small enough that you avoid detection from those who need to hunt you down for food. rats are small, rabbits are agile and so are gazelle, Bulls have strength and elephants don't care. Birds like eagles have ability to see long distances but are big while a pigeon is small and can out maneuver an eagle. SO, if we combine all these principles of stealth of nature into a simple guide, what it tells us is,"be simple, be single, be small, be agile, be shaped, be nicely thermally skinned, be passive sensor driven."
    Ghost has been designed with these elements in mind from what the Lord told us in Shreemad Bhagwat Geeta.
    The radar created by Israel will fail to detect my design as it is a VHF radar working in wavelength of 3m and below. But once you have the size of the target below that of the wavelength of the radar, irrespective of frequency in use, the target will not paint as there will be no reflections due to travelling waves. This is particularly true about Low frequency radars. The wave behavior changes in higher frequencies once you are out of Rayleigh region.
    @Picdelamirand-oil, your comments pls.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    By the way there is an other Radar working in UHF band the TLP from Thales:

    Thales’ TLP long range early warning radar heads towards first test phase
    By Nathan Gain

    The historical radar manufacturer Thales has recently revealed details about its on-going project of Very Long Range Radar. Launched in 2007 by the French Defense Ministry, the TLP (Radar Très Longue Portée) is a ballistic missile early warning radar (BMEWS) being developed by Thales and the French Aerospace Lab ONERA. It will be able to detect intermediate-range as well as intercontinental ballistic missiles.
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    Thales' TLP very long range early warning radar system operational concept(Credit: Thales)
    The TLP project is the first of this kind in Europe and could potentially participate to the NATO active layered theatre ballistic missile defense (ALTBMD) system in Europe.
    According to Ronan Moulinet from Thales Air Systems, the TLP will ensure multiple ballistic missile detection, acquisition and tracking at a range between 600and 3000 km for Battle Management alerting. TLP radar is designed to provide detection and tracking in exo atmospheric environment and in the end of boost phase by using search fence pattern with surveillance domain configurable according to assigned mission.
    The TLP will be able to perform three critical missions:
    - Missile threat proliferation monitoring, with the surveillance of ballistic missile trials for evaluation of the technological maturity level, in order to establish missile parameters, ballistic cluster parameters, and Target Object Map
    - Passive and active missile defense in case of a ballistic missile attack (Detection and trajectory calculation must be achieved early enough for emergency population or forces warning or missile interception)
    - Contribution to agressor identification (The launching zone knowledge gives a clear evidence on a potential ballistic actor who would threaten national territory)
    Thales' TLP is based on a modular concept, which makes it unique. All the main electronic devices are included in containers. The radar is composed of columns; each column being composed by 5 technical containers, 2 operational shelters, 5 3x4 m sub panels with elementary radiating elements, and 2 cooling units. The entire structure is to be composed of 8 columns, with a complete antenna featuring 3000 T/R modules on a surface of 400 m². According to Ronan Moulinet, a complete TLP radar could be operational in 6 months, depending on the nature of the ground on which it is mounted on.
    The TLP has been compared by Moulinet with Raytheon’s TPY-2 radar, which is also designed to provide early warning of incoming ballistic missiles. However, the TLP is a low-frequency radar (UHF), while the TPY-2 radar operates in X-band, has a narrower field of view, and has to be deployed closer to the predicted launch points of the missiles.
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    (Credit: Thales)

    In October 2011 the French Defense Ministry awarded a risk reduction contract to Thales and Onera for the development and the experimentation of one-column-sized TLP radar. The "Demonstration Radar Très Longue Portée" (DRTLP) is defined as one column of the future radar, including signal and data processing, operational HMI, BITE. The radar infrastructure foundations were built in January 2015, and a one-column-sized DRTLP will be installed in the South West of France during the second semester of 2015 for integration.
    The demonstrator has two main objectives:
    - The validation of architecture and technology choices
    - The evaluation of the detection and accuracy performances in order to anticipate operational performances of TLP Radar.
    The first test phase is scheduled for 2016, for validation of the concept.

    Thales’ TLP long range early warning radar heads towards first test phase 0906152
     

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