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Struggle For Baluchistan: News & Discussions

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by Adil Baloch, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. BlackOpsIndia

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    What if we can forge that and supply the kits,separately to be assembled as LEGO kits like Paint by Numbers or Assemble as per Instruction?
     
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    And why would we do that?
     
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    Pakistan security forces killed four Baloch in fake encounters: BHRO

    Pakistani security forces recently handed over four bodies, including that of a 14-year-old boy, to the District Headquarter Hospital at Gwadar. A press release issued here by the Baloch Human Rights Organisation (BHRO) claimed that the security forces had eliminated the four persons in a fake joint operation in the Belar and Kulanch areas of Gwadar district. The BHRO also claimed that one person had also been arrested, and added that the four persons killed had been missing for months and years. The dead bodies were identified on the basis of their national identity card (NIC), student card and chits with their names found in their pockets. One of the victims was identified as 14-year-old Zafar Baloch, the son of Master Abdul Rahman. He was a resident of Jan Mohammad Bazar Dasht in District Kech. His parents had migrated to Gwadar to take the education of their children forward, and Zafar had been reported missing since August 13, 2016. The second victim was identified as Salahuddin, the son of Abdul Samad. He was a resident of Mashkay and had been missing for the last 19 months. The BHRO claimed that he had been abducted by the security forces on March 25, 2015 from Quetta. The third victim was identified as Sajid Ali, the son of Kareem Bakhsh. He was a resident of Ward Number 4, Pasni, and was abducted from his home on January 31, 2016. The fourth was identified as Sabir Ali, the son of Mohammed, who had been missing since August 4, 2014. There was no information provided on the person arrested. The BHRO said that in October 2016, it had received reports of more than 210 enforced disappearances and 57 persons being reportedly killed in different incidents by Pakistan’s security forces.

    http://idrw.org/pakistan-security-forces-killed-four-baloch-in-fake-encounters-bhro/
     
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    The recent bomb attack in Pakistan’s troubled Balochistan province, a day ahead of the launch of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) from Gwadar port, has raised a ‘security alarm’ for the USD 46 billion project, state-run Chinese media said on Tuesday.

    “With the departure of a Chinese ship from the renovated port of Gwadar in Balochistan Province, Pakistan on Sunday, the long-awaited China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a mega cooperation project has become realised after having been agreed in 2013,” an oped article in the official daily Global Times said on Tuesday.

    This is the first time official Chinese media made a reference to the formal launch of the CPEC, which was kept under wraps until it was inaugurated at ceremony by Pakistani and Chinese officials at the Gwadar port.

    Significantly the daily carried three articles on Tuesday on the subject, one on security concerns over the CPEC and two on criticising India’s reservations in taking part in China’s Silk Road projects in which CPEC is a part.

    Ahead of the launch of the CPEC, a bomb in another part of Balochistan killed at least 52 people and wounded 106 at a sufi shrine in an attack later claimed by the Islamic State.

    “This has sent a security alarm to the ongoing CPEC project. Balochistan, the largest and most impoverished province of Pakistan, is labelled the ‘troubled heart’ of the CPEC by some media, as modern geopolitics has provided new incentives to the long-standing violence there,” the article said.

    Last month, suicide attackers targeted a police training school in which 61 people were killed over 165 others injured. Pakistan officials blamed the attack on Pakistani group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, a Sunni terrorist outfit targeting Shias in the country.

    “The Pakistan government claims that Baloch separatists receive training in camps in Afghanistan. It also accuses foreign terrorist forces of backing Baloch insurgents and working to destabilise Pakistan,” it said.

    “Meanwhile, dissatisfaction has been fuelled in Balochistan as it was alleged that the CPEC will not benefit the province and the fruits will actually go to the Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous province which the Baloch insurgents accuse of ‘looting’ their resources,” it said, referring differences within Pakistan over the project.

    “While the goals of the project are grand, some hostile overseas forces also have their eyes on the route. What matters more is not the signing of deals, but the timely execution of the deals, which requires security guarantees along the route,” it said.

    “Among the complicated geopolitical landscape, both domestic and regional, the CPEC is an easy target. Pakistan and China should work closely to address the security threat,” it said. A second article on the CPEC in the daily while praising

    Pakistan’s open attitude to Chinese investments criticised India for not taking part in Belt & Road (B&R) projects.

    “This forms a sharp contrast to political suspicions concerning Chinese investment in some other countries like India, which are still reluctant to participate in China’s Belt & Road (Silk Road) initiative,” it said.

    “The CPEC has the potential to be a game-changer that will allow Pakistan to play a more important role in the economic landscape of South Asia if India continues refusing to enhance its economic ties with China,” it said.

    “China’s initial success in pushing forward the CPEC may arouse vigilance in India, but it would not necessarily be a bad thing if the changing economic landscape in the region puts some pressure on New Delhi to rethink its strategy toward the Belt and Road initiative and Chinese investment,” it said referring to India’s objections to the CPEC as it runs through the PoK and Maritime Silk Road .

    A third article titled ‘India shouldn’t hype Belt and Road (B&R) political intent’ criticised New Delhi’s reservations over the projects.

    “We cannot deny that the B&R initiative brings some negative geopolitical effects, although it’s not China’s real intention. Due to deep-rooted strategic suspicions from some countries toward China, the geopolitical factor in the initiative has been exaggerated,” it said.

    “Some countries treat the initiative as a geopolitical competition with a zero-sum mindset. Some big powers in the region or beyond tried to openly or covertly destroy the infrastructure construction and economic cooperation programs between China and South Asian countries,” it said.

    “China and India have been cooperating on many large projects, especially in the field of infrastructure construction. There is also much cooperation among companies. China is building industrial parks in India, and many delegations of Indian local governments are coming to China to attract FDI,” it said.

    “All this cooperation is not under the name of the B&R initiative, but to China, all of them are under the framework of the initiative. The current cooperation model between China and India is acceptable if the Indian side does not exaggerate the geopolitical implications of the B&R initiative,” it said.


    http://www.defencenews.in/article/B...rity-alarm-for-CPEC,-says-Chinese-media-39217
     
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    India is alarmed at CPEC.

    Alarmed at the fact that it gets inaugurated again and again every month...



    6 times is hilarious !
     
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    Haha CPEC is nothing but a chest booster for Pakistan
     
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    To supply the BLA and the Resistance against Pakistan Army.
     
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    I just saw a Pakistani news clipping where one of the panelist was saying that China is not giving any toll tax for any of its goods being transported!

    Is that true? If yes, then pakistani have been short-charged by their own government.
     
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    A Baluch Activist's Puzzling Disappearance

    Maikan mostly stays silent. The 13-year-old girl often refuses to eat; neither does she want to go to school. She wakes up in the night, goes to the roof of her house and sits there all by herself, says her elder sister Hani.

    A few months ago, Maikan was as chirpy and giggly as most girls in her age group. She changed after her father, Abdul Wahid Baloch, went missing on July 26, 2016.

    Wahid is a resident of Lyari, a thickly populated Karachi neighbourhood that is almost always in the news for its never-ending gang wars. It is also a hotbed of politics. The history of organised political activism here goes as far back as the 1960s.

    Wahid, 54, has been an active participant in the civic life of his neighbourhood. Many Lyari residents remember him as Comrade Wahid who, according to them, eagerly helped all and sundry. Working as a telephone operator at the Civil Hospital Karachi, he would often be seen assisting patients coming from not just his own neighbourhood but also from rural parts of Sindh and Balochistan.

    An avid collector of books, Wahid was active in promoting Baloch culture and the literature written in his native Balochi language, his friends say. He would help new Baloch writers publish their works. A decade back, he also worked as the deputy editor of a Balochi literary magazine, Labzank.

    Many Lyari residents remember him as Comrade Wahid who, according to them, eagerly helped all and sundry.

    His friends and relatives say he enthusiastically joined protest demonstrations and rallies by any group of people not happy with the government — teachers, fishermen and public-sector workers. For years, Wahid had been associated with the Baloch National Movement (BNM), a separatist political organisation, and was a regular presence at marches, rallies and hunger strikes in Karachi over the issue of Baloch missing persons.

    When BNM split into two factions after the murder of its president Ghulam Muhammad in 2009, Wahid stopped attending its activities. He had friends in both factions and did not want to take sides, people close to him say.

    Wahid’s affiliation with BNM was not secret and Hani says he never got into trouble with intelligence agencies. “My father never got any threat from [intelligence] agencies or anyone else [over his political affiliation]. Otherwise, he would have informed us.” Even when he walked to his office from home during frequent breakdowns of law and order in Lyari, he never noticed anyone following him, she says.

    Wahid set out on a trip to some places outside Karachi on July 22, 2016. He took his friend and Balochi language poet Sabir Naguman and a few others with him. The reason for the trip to such places as Kotri, Digri, Khipro and Umerkot, according to Naguman, was to “condole with families of two friends” and “congratulate a female family friend on her wedding”.

    They were on their way back to Karachi in a passenger van on the noon of July 26 when some men ordered the vehicle to stop near a toll plaza on one of the main entrances to the city. The passengers thought it was a routine police checking. It turned out to be anything but.

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    Two men – one clad in white shalwar kameez and the other in a grey dress – got into the van and glanced at all the passengers, says Naguman, who was sitting in the first row of seats along with Wahid. The two were told to produce their national identity cards. The man in white clothes inspected their cards while at the same time looking at his cell phone as if matching their personal information with something in his device, Naguman adds. After careful inspection, he handed Naguman’s card back but told Wahid to get off the van. The two men took him into a big blue jeep parked nearby. Nobody in his family and among his friends knows who took him away and to where.

    Wahid has been missing since.

    There is some speculation that he attended a meeting by a banned Sindhi nationalist organisation – Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz (JSMM) – in Umerkot on July 24, 2016, where he spoke vehemently against the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). He is also said to have advocated an alliance between Sindhi and Baloch nationalists. That became the reason why he was picked up by intelligence agencies, says a friend of Wahid. “A large number of JSMM activists were also picked up by the agencies in the last week of July,” he claims on condition of anonymity.

    No other relevant people confirm this. Naguman says Wahid neither attended a political meeting nor delivered any speech. He, however, is not sure if any individuals from JSMM met Wahid during their stay in Umerkot. Many people met the two during their trip and some of them were unknown to Naguman. There could be political or nationalist activists among them but he has no “idea which party or group they belonged to”.

    Sajjad Shar, JSMM’s general secretary, also denies that his party held a meeting on July 24, 2016, where Wahid spoke. In a phone conversation from an undisclosed location, he, however, claims the law enforcement agencies have carried out search operations in Umerkot, Naushahro Feroze, Khairpur, Ghotki, Badin, Kashmore, Matiari and Dadu districts, and have arrested more than 65 nationalist activists since July 28, 2016.

    Hani, 20, is a BSc final year student. When she came to know that her father had gone missing, she went to a police station in Gadap neighbourhood where the incident had taken place. Accompanied by her relatives, she met the deputy superintendent police (DSP) and station house officer (SHO) of the area. They told her to return after three days if she wanted to register a First Information Report (FIR). “When we went to the police station again, the SHO refused to lodge the FIR,” says Hani.

    She then approached the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) which wrote letters to the Director General Sindh Rangers, the Inspector General Police (IGP) Sindh Police, to the Gadap police station and the secretary of Sindh health department to take notice and investigate the case. The commission also formed a fact-finding committee to probe what had happened to Wahid.

    Wahid’s affiliation with BNM was not secret and Hani says he never got into trouble with intelligence agencies.

    The committee went to the place where the incident had occurred. Members asked the police and rangers’ personnel posted there if they knew anything about Wahid’s disappearance. “They said they would know if anything like that had happened,” says Abdul Hai, an HRCP field officer. The committee also went to see the local SHO who showed ignorance regarding the incident. He also refused to register the FIR once again, Hai says.

    Frustrated by the attitude of the police, Hani filed a habeas corpus petition at the Sindh High Court for the recovery of her father. Respondents in the case include the federal government, the provincial government, the IGP Sindh Police and SHO Gadap and the Sindh Rangers.

    The bench hearing the case comprises Justice Naimatullah Phulpoto and Justice Muhammad Karim Khan Agha. They are hearing 80 similar cases of people having gone missing from different parts of Sindh.

    The first hearing of Hani’s petition took place on August 15, 2016. When the court asked the SHO about the case, he claimed no one from Wahid’s family had contacted him or lodged any report. At a subsequent hearing later in September, the Sindh Rangers also denied having detained or arrested him.

    On September 26, 2016, Hani’s petition was up for hearing again. The courtroom was full of people — petitioners, lawyers, government officials. The case roster was brimming — her petition was slotted at No 68.

    When finally her turn came, a court official put the case files in front of the judges and announced the case number as well as the names of the petitioner and the respondents. Hani’s lawyer walked to a rostrum to the right of the judges and began telling them how his client had approached the SHO for the registration of the FIR but to no avail. The judges looked at a policeman, a sub-inspector representing the SHO in the court. He came forward and claimed the petitioner had never approached the SHO.

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    Wahid's daughter, Hani | Courtesy Wahid's family


    “SHO Gadap shall be in attendance [at the next hearing] along with detailed comments and progress report regarding the missing person,” said Justice Phulpoto. He also ordered the SHO to act strictly in accordance with the law regarding the registration of the FIR. The whole proceeding was over in about five minutes. The hearing was first adjourned till October 13, 2016, and then till November 3, 2016.

    To follow up on the court’s orders, a couple of days later, Hani – accompanied by some members of the HRCP and representatives of other civil society organisations – went to the police station in Gadap. The police finally registered an FIR against unidentified staffers of some unspecified secret agency for the abduction of her father.

    Wahid’s ailing mother noticed his absence soon after his disappearance and started asking about him. Hani decided to lie to her grandmother saying the police had booked Wahid in a false case and that he would be released soon. “I often make people pretend to be police officers. They call my grandmother and tell her that her son is detained at a police station,” says Hani. “She will not be able to bear the shock if she comes to know about her son’s disappearance.”

    Wahid’s old mother may one day find out the truth but coping with that would still be easier than coming to terms with some other fallout of his absence. For one, his family’s financial condition is dire. His July salary from the hospital was transferred to his account but, Hani says that they “are unable to draw it without his signatures”.

    Her maternal uncle is helping them out but he has limited resources. No one in her family is sure how long that support will last.


    http://herald.dawn.com/news/1153589/a-baloch-activists-puzzling-disappearance
     
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    Those chinese trucks will increase business for dhaba walas and chai walas along the route.Maybe sell a few sweaters in the winter
     
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    Game changer my @$$, just wait a few years and enjoy this hyper-inflated balloon burst.

    Total investment on road is $10Billion on a road to nowhere. Its China's way of owning a country, indebt them with gratitude and capture all the economic market, get all contracts and get the jobs for Chinese labor.


    They built many high-rise ghost cities just to keep the economic activity going, not to slow down the growth rate by falling demand, CPEC road is just another ghost city but with larger objective to own 200 million Pakistani consumers, capture the market the abuse the hell out of it by dumping everything made in China.

    Just wait and see how China will own Pakistani economy completely in name of CPEC bubble.
     
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    We need more such stories to be published in NYT, WSJ so that world know the real problem is in Bloochistan not Kashmir.
     
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    The same has to be dispassionately projected minus rhetoric and only on facts.

    Same holds for Kashmir. The sheer ignorance of the strength of India's case over Kashmir is astounding. Our case can be expressed and projected dispassionately on this platform, which people read. But alas, no one wants to stick to facts as it needs research and extensive reading.

    Researach Baluchistan and Kashmir accessions and make a contrast view. You will be able to make a strong and emphatic case for India on Kashmir and against Pakistan on Baluchistan. Start a thread. You will be wiser and also help in projecting our case on this platform. Tag @Joe Shearer when you do that. He will guide you and amend/add on where needed. Tag @scorpionx also.

    Do that if you really want to contribute. And be dispassionate about it. Let's see.
     

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