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Su-30MKI Multirole Fighter Aircraft and Super 30 Upgrade News, Discussions..

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    I don't think the new MKI order has anything to do with FGFA. ACM Dhanoa said that they were short by 35 jets in March 2017, so the MKIs are only for making up this shortfall. If it wasn't for that, then I doubt IAF would want more MKIs.
     
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    This is not my idea, it was officially put on table by BRAHMOS Aerospace (Indian side) as an answer to its closest western counterpart NASR.
    It might be possible that government accepted the proposal and BrahMos will be nuke tipped secretly.
     
  3. randomradio

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    Brahmos won't go nuclear and France won't provide ASMP.

    There are too many international problems with nuke Brahmos.

    Nirbhay with nukes is far more realistic.
     
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    @Hellfire

    Do you have an opinion about nuke Brahmos?
     
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    Let's dig out open sources:
    I can't believe them to be 100% sure about the same but if there's a smoke than its sure that there is fire...

    https://scout.com/military/warrior/...quipped-with-Nuclear-Armed-Missiles-109840332


    http://m.hindustantimes.com/Strateg...nuclear-capable-fighters/Article1-599141.aspx


    For Nuclear tipped BrahMos:

    https://sputniknews.com/mlitary_news/20121009/176500812.html

    Will share more as soon as I find more :biggthumpup:
     
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  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    These additional Su-30MKI will come with more potent avionics and systems hard wired for nuke delivery and survive nuke attacks. Brahmos remains the primary nuke strike air delivery weapon of india. ASMP has shorter range. The Su-30MKI in their present config need airframe reinforcing to carry Brahmos. The new ones will come with that stronger airframe.
     
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    PKS has been reporting 350+ Su 30 MKI since the last 3-4 years. What dope does he have on the procurement procedure of the MKI that you guys don't ?
     
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    About these, IAF has confirmed that all the MKIs are for IAF alone. Just because SFC wants 40 MKIs doesn't mean IAF will allow it. Not to mention, why will SFC want the MKI which is inferior in this role when Rafale has become available?

    As far as I know, no MKI will ever be earmarked for nuclear delivery. In case Brahmos is nuclear tipped, I find it more realistic for the Brahmos-M for the P-75I program. Of course, an air launched nuke Brahmos-M for Rafale is also possible. But MKIs, very, very unlikely, practically zero.

    Honestly, I don't see the IAF ever agreeing to nuclearize their primary air superiority aircraft.

    Had IAF got the MMRCA deal, they wouldn't be buying so many MKIs.
     
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    Buddy, do not fool yourself and others. Rafale is Rafail for nuke delivery using Brahmos.
     
  10. randomradio

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    He is highly speculative.

    IAF has multiple plans for procurement. So one of those is bound to work out in PKS's favour when he makes multiple speculative suggestions.

    One of his earliest speculations on the MKI was IAF will get Phazatron AESA, which was laughable because any procurement veteran knows that NIIP's radar will be the one to make the bracket because of MoD's rules of buying equipment only from the OEM.
     
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    Why so? All it has to do is fire the missile. The missile will do most of the work.
     
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    Only the centre station of rafale can carry a 3 ton payload. For that it will need to undergo lots of FBW tuning as you need some residual performance in the aircraft of atleast 3-4G. rafale centerline station at 3 tons payload is restricted to just 2G. That station is designed more for a fuel tank than a weapon. Other four heavy pylons are restricted to 2 tons. so rafale will have to wait for Brahmos NG and Its ASMP hs lower range than Brahmos and that too with three times lower speed. I wud not like to divulge the attack profile of Brahmos. But it has no equivalent.
     
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    I was talking about the Brahmos-M.

    The IAF will never relinquish control of the MKI to the SFC, they have their own ego to massage over this. Don't you remember ACM Browne claiming "everybody wants their own mini-AF", when the IA was fighting for control over attack choppers? Two types are already dedicated for nuke role, Jags and M-2000.

    Whatever SFC wants to do with air launched nukes will have to be on the Rafale.
     
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    According to reports, 40 modified will be separate from IAF numbers and will be operated by SFC.

    If BrahMos Aerospace will be successful to miniaturize as BrahMos-NG than MKI will be able to pack one BrahMos (in present form) and 2 BrahMos-NG.

    We can compare the ASMP with upcoming BrahMos-NG (nuke tipped) or even Brahmos-NG will outclass ASMP.

    Also, we should take in our mind that for nuclear case, Indian should have its own nuclear assets because ASMP is also imported one. And nuke tipped BrahMos will be the best option for the same. Along with this we might expect air launch variant of Nirbhay.

    I expect the dust over the SFC controlled jets will washed off soon.. we should wait for it.
     
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    Indian SFC requirements do not suggest firing of air delivery nukes after entering enemy territory where they can be intercepted or require large formation of fighters to escort such missions. SFC wants air delivery nukes to be delivered from a platform within Indian airspace and hidden from the world to maintain a very strong second strike capability. SFC air delivery nukes are are for second strike and not first strike which will be done using our mobile rockets.
     
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