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Su-30MKI Multirole Fighter Aircraft and Super 30 Upgrade News, Discussions..

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    3 points:

    a. Missiles are the first and only. Declared inventory to be looked at. The aim of nuclear deterrence is achieved by clear demarcation and not obfuscation. The latter reduces the threshold for miscalculation by the other side.

    b. There is no "aircraft for SFC"; either alone or in figures of 42 or whatever. That is purely speculative and peddled by both serving and retired officers 'in the loop'; in all honesty, they have no clue about what they are talking, just like majority of the 'experts' on the Television.

    c. IAF routinely practices 'toss bombing' to hone in skills for a potential role in a nuke delivery, just like An-32s once in while do practice bombing role (and their role in that is pretty obsolete until and unless we plan to bomb the hell out of Maldives). This is true for Mig-27, Su-30., Mirage 2000. So one can safely assume that these aircrafts may be so called designated. That leaves a pretty large number of platforms.

    PS: We have gravity bombs too. As a 'fail safe' one always keeps inventory diversified. Exactly as we have the capability to put a nuke on 155 mm caliber. Do we require to? That is a separate query.
     
  2. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    There is another possibility. I have a great "Bullshit value" which I pass off as experience and 'information'!!:biggthumpup:

    Speculation will not help. ;)
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    It's 40+9 and then we bought 10 more in 2004. SIPRI has the records. I think we have lost a total of 4 to air crashes, 2 trainers crashed happened back in 2012, in a span of 10 days. I remember 1 crashed in 1989 during the air force anniversary celebrations, dunno about the other.

    And we lost some when a hangar collapsed over them back in 1989. @vstol jockey? Is it 2, 4, or 6?

    So we had 49, then we crashed 2, so 47. Then we lost 6 in the collapse. So 41. Then we bought 10 to bring the number to 51, then we lost 2 more. So 49. Now we wanna replace the 2 trainers we lost, so I hope we buy 10 jets in total instead of 2, bring all three squadrons to full strength.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    I think as long as we are able to match the Chinese in air superiority aircraft, we will be good. Unless they get like 500 J-20s or something over the next 10-15 years.
     
  5. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Hint

    IAF operates Prithvi missiles.
     
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    _Anonymous_ 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    That's actually pathetic apart from being ancient .It's neither credible nor minimum in our doctrine of credible minimum deterrent . For a purchase of 300 Kms , we'd have to be practically on the border to launch those missiles .What about the various families of the Agni missile ? Aren't they deployed to serve as credible minimum deterrent ?
     
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  7. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Prithvi is being withdrawn completely and is more of a stand by missile now. Brahmos will remain the main nuke air delivery weapon for India. You can cross check from your sources again.
     
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    Brahmos being a JV does Russia allow it?
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Yes. Both the countries own 50% each so no one country can veto the other.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    No. India owns 50.5% of the JV.
     
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    Zer0reZ 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Two questions:
    1. Can Su-30 mki carrying BrahMos protect itself from enemies in air on its own??
    2. What's the significance of BrahMos-A beside using as a countermeasure against S-400??

    In my opinion nuke BrahMos-A is stupid idea, second we already have missile like Prahaar, AGNI series for rest.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Naturally. The Su-30 can still carry WVR and BVR missiles. But it's the Su-30's escorts that will fight enemy aircraft first. If the situation calls for it, the Brahmos equipped Su-30s will escape first.

    Defeating a S-400 will be a very complex task. We will need many types of weapons, not just Brahmos.

    Our first go-to weapon will be anti-radiation missiles, we will have to shut down all the radars first.
     
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    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    As per the best of my knowledge, Indian Army has 4 regiments (861-864) out of which 2 in Rajasthan, 1 in North East. AFAIK, these all are operated by IA's artillery decisions that may be 40&41 if I'm not wrong.
    There are total 136 BrahMos' are operational with both decisions and more on order.

    I think you remember that DRDO also planned for nuke tipped Guided pinaka MBRL (possibly mk3 - 300mm calibre). According to our doctoring, our strike will be pushed under nuclear warhead threshold but if Pak started firing NASRs than what we will do? Firing AGNIs won't be the solution and you knew it well..
    At that case, Nuke tipped MBRLs and BrahMos will take on efficiently with minimum destruction.

    I don't know the minimum nuke tipped Calibre present and planned in India but I think Nuke tipped artillery shell won't be helpful because of lower ranges. Hence radiation will affect our own soldiers during mission.

    And finally, the idea of nuke tipped BrahMos and Su-30MKI was neither denied nor accepted by DRDO and HAL officials when I personally I asked them. But one of them hinted for nuke tipping priority is for Air launch variant, I don't know why he said so?
     
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  14. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    What missed your attention? I did write Hint. :D

    Now, refer back to my post earlier where I did say that the information will be posted as in public domain.

    There are silos too. And 99.9% Indians know jackshit about them. I am stating it as Pakistanis have stated it too om their internal papers :) So it is an open secret.

    Location? Again a different ball game
     
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    That is why, it was never 59. It was always maintained at 49.
     
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