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Su-30MKI Multirole Fighter Aircraft and Super 30 Upgrade News, Discussions..

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    The upgraded Su30 MKI would be a force to reckon. It is going to beat the Typhoon, F-18, F-16, F-15 and the Rafale in a 1 on 1 scenario. In the end a lot depends on the pilot. But if I had a choice between the new Su30s or Typhoon, I'd choose the Su30 MKI.
     
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  2. ColdPlay

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Super Su-30MKI vs JF-17 block 2 will the same as F-15's vs Mig-23's.
     
  3. jagjitnatt

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    JF-17 block II is nothing in comparison to Su30. It isn't even in the league.

    JF-17 block II is nothing, but a block I with some added necessary features that were supposed to be there in block I itself.
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    this is really mind blowing news......i'm really happy for the mkis, they were sharing their place of being top dog with new kids on block like eft and rafale....but now they will literally snatch it back from their hands !!!

    Although I have one question.....what about mki' huge rcs.....are they doing anything to reduce it ??
     
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    I dont think the RCS matters w.r.t to 4th generation... no 4th generation fighters are trying for LO... even Rafale and EFT are having 1 m2 RCS on clean config.. when loaded with drop tanks or missiles there RCS will shoot up to 5m2 enough for MKI to take a lock at 150 KM itself...

    while J-20 will lie on LO band.. and PAK-FA may lie between LO and VLO.. it would be enough to defend
     
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    prospect huh....it will be like cooked meat flying in the air !!!!

    Leave fighting there is nothing much a jf17 can do to save itself from this monster......
     
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    Nothing has been said about the reduced RCS? I thought it'll be on par with F-15 Silent Eagle and will have internal weapons bay. :cry:

    Dreams Shattered. :sad:
     
  8. jagjitnatt

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    MKIs huge rcs can not be reduced much. No amount of RAM can reduce it to Typhoon's or Rafale's levels.
    I do think though that its rcs should be around 10 sq m loaded.

    But rcs isn't exactly a bad thing for it. There are various strategies that can be used to put huge rcs to good use. Huge rcs can sometimes be a boon too.
     
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    But still...what about early detection by aew aircraft and ground radars...
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Any update on stealth skin.. or is it just a rumour?
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Stealth skin may not be a rumor, every radio signal has its penetrating depth called as skin depth to get absorbed by the layer. If we can develop some composites with very less skin depth then absolute stealth is possible.
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    It will be detected, but detecting isn't the end of the road, something has got to take the MKI down. THAT my friend would be a tough thing to do.

    Rumor.
     
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    Sir, can you explain a bit on this part please?
     
  14. jagjitnatt

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    It won't be possible because the radars don't just use a single frequency. No material on earth can absorb a wide range of frequencies. Only a very narrow range of frequencies can be absorbed. So in any case, some of the radio wave is going to deflect, in which direction, that depends on the shape, which is why shape is so critical in 5th gen.
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    ^^^^^
    Ooops, missed the part that radar works on a wide range of frequencies.
     

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