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Su-30MKI Multirole Fighter Aircraft and Super 30 Upgrade News, Discussions..

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Our MKI can be seen on radar very easily, this can be used to fool the enemies. We can send 3-4 MKIs from the north towards the border, as they close in, PAF will send in their planes to counter MKIs. We could use this opportunity to send in our LO aircraft like PakFa or MRCA from Sir Creek or Rajasthan border. The MKIs might return after a minor airspace violation whereas the PakFa will get a chance to sneak past their defenses while they were busy moving their air dominance fighters to the north.

    Till the time PakFa gets detected, we would already be in their airspace and will have 15-20 minutes before they could scramble their jets. We could use the same strategy with another squadron in the north again. So 2-3 type of aircraft can be used to trick the opponent and divert their useful resources in directions other than important to us.
     
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    SpArK SorCeroR Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Also use the Novator to kill any AWACS.:man_in_love:
     
  3. Skull and Bones

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Yes, MKI's can be well within our borders and target AWACS in Pakistani territory.
     
  4. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    so you are saying that we use mki basicaly as bait......a bait that has enough strength to bite back with deadly force if attacked...lolz


    Anywaz I still feel that its rcs needs to be reduced....
    we can use some other jets with high rcs as bait...
     
  5. jagjitnatt

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    We can use any aircraft as bait, but we can not hide MKIs. So its better we use them as bait so if in case they have to fight, they can fight and come back.

    And its not just about running away after a violation. We can even engage the enemies, while PakFa with MRCA can penetrate deep into Pakistan and bomb Sargodha or even Karachi.
     
  6. Bad Wolf

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    can we add f-22 nose and some stealth to MKI
    what happen when we pack space between engine and it will be use as Indore weapon bay and this will reduce RCS
    can any one calculate this and got RCS number
     
  7. kingdurgaking

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Either way it will be detected... what you will do with low RCS of 1m2.. even AWACS will detect it at 200KM ... enough for providing the counter measures... unless it is LO or VLO RCS hardly matters...
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    But they don't have missiles to kill at a range of 200km.
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    There are a few things.
    - rcs doesn't just get reduced from a single point. It is calculated as an area, not a point So if rcs is high at both ends of the wingtips, and even if rcs is almost zero in the middle, rcs would be the same and MKI would be visible to the radar.

    - There is no formula to calculate rcs. Only very fast computers can do that but that requires very complex algorithms and exact details of the aircraft fed into the computer. The simulation requires supercomputers to run

    - The space between the engine is used as a lifting body for the aircraft. That is the secret of MKI's maneuverability.
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    so how we reduce the RCS of this big bird
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    This bully is getting stronger day by day. Excellent upgrades. Engine upgrades are simply mindblowing.
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    No need to even try. We will have Pakfas for that. MKIs are meant for very different purposes. They belong to a class of their own.
     
  13. jagjitnatt

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    We don't need to, because even if the enemy knows we are coming, they need something to hunt it down, which is going to be very tough. We will have other aircraft for silent missions like PakFa and MRCA.

    But still if you do want to reduce rcs, I'd recommend we start from the wings, and stabilizers, but that would require structural changes. And if you look at it this way, PakFa is essentially a Su30 with a stealth treatment. PakFa isn't a new aircraft. It is a Su30 made to have a smaller rcs.
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    One simple thing is to add more composites on the surface because materials with low dielectric constant tends to absorb all the radio waves incident on its surface.

    second thing is maximum parallel surfaces, so that the remaining reflected waves gets reflected to any other direction other than source of the radio wave.

    These are the basics.

    P.S.: By the second point, Rafale has the maximum round surface, so RCS of Rafale is definitely higher than EFT.
     
  15. Bad Wolf

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    agree sir
     

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