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Su-30MKI Multirole Fighter Aircraft and Super 30 Upgrade News, Discussions..

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. desiman

    desiman Lieutenant ELITE MEMBER

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Also remember our major enemies do not have advanced tech for us to be heavily reliant on stealth. When Pakistan sees a huge rcs on their radars their heads automatically turn to the MKI which is a big deterrent in itself. Whether they like it or not, no jet in PAF's current inventory can even come close to the MKI. As the numbers of MKI will increase so will the gap between the airforces.
     
  2. Patrician

    Patrician Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    This is cheating!!! :mrgreen:
     
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  3. Skull and Bones

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    We're missing the SAMs in our calculations.
     
  4. flanker143

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    We should try putting in more composites as we quite an expert at it....
    Anywaz I was thinking how wud a supermki compare to su35...??
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Will be in the same class, other than the RCS factor.
     
  6. SpArK

    SpArK SorCeroR Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    I have checked some really old articles about plasma stealth.. it has been said that Russians were working on it since some time...

    Russian plasma stealth fighters

    WAFF | World's Armed Forces Forum: Su-30MKI to go the "Silent Eagle" route by 2014: MLU Roadmap


    The Journal of Electronic Defense reported that "plasma-cloud-generation technology for stealth applications" developed in Russia reduces an aircraft's RCS by a factor of 100. According to this June 2002 article, the Russian plasma stealth device has been tested aboard a Sukhoi Su-27IB fighter-bomber. The Journal also reported that similar research into applications of plasma for RCS reduction is being carried out by Accurate Automation Corporation (Chattanooga, Tennessee) and Old Dominion University (Norfolk, Virginia) in the U.S.; and by Dassault Aviation (Saint-Cloud, France) and Thales (Paris, France).[5]


    Plasma stealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    ^ Fiszer, Michal and Jerzy Gruszczynski. "Russia Working on Stealth Plasma". Journal of Electronic Defense, June 2002.
     
  7. desiman

    desiman Lieutenant ELITE MEMBER

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    they have an altitude limitation, the MKI can easily avoid them.
     
  8. MyRaven

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Hey guys, isnt this an article from Prasun Sengupta who I believe is a writer who creates fantasy worlds, so are the upgrades mentioned above a part of the real deal or is it just a cooked piece of information. Just a query that's all.
     
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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Most things in the article has been around since 2 years... even in FORCE magazine ....so instead of attacking the author lets get into details..
     
  10. MyRaven

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    If it is true, then great going man. MKI will truly be a great fighter at least in the subcontinent if not in the world.
     
  11. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Depends on what role you want to fulfill and how far you want to go with the re-design of the airframe. The easiest way is to replace metal parts with composites to reduce weight and replace it with RAM materials instead. You could delete the canards, because they add to the RCS as well, these are the main differences that the Su 35BM has now.
    More difficult would be a major re-design with cranked tail fins, internal weapon bays between the engines, for AAMs (half the size of the engines and still enough space for lift). If possible the integration of radar blockers, to hide the compressors. All this is not going to happen anytime soon, because it would cost too much and need too much time, but those things that was mentioned earlier could be on the list.

    The advantage of MKI compared to other 4th gen fighters is the very capable radar and that it don't need external fuel tanks, which adds to the RCS. If we can increase the radar range by improving it to AESA and reduce the RCS at the same time with more RAM and composites, it will remain to be a very capable air superiority fighter compared to the possible opponents (F16 B50/52, J10, J11, JF17).
    For strikes on the other hand it will remain to be out of distance with Brahmos, or other long range missiles, that's why we need MMRCAs that are capable in the A2G role as well to penetrate enemy air space, to have a good alternative.

    Because they based the development on their experience with lift buddy airframes (Mig 29 as well as Flanker!) with seperated engines?

    - delta wings
    - all moving tailfins
    - movable LERX
    - straight cockpit section
    - internal weapon bays and missile bays

    All completely new design / development features that not only has much to do with the Su 30s, but are even pretty different to former Russian demo fighters like the Su 47, or the Mig 1.44!

    T50 is in the same class and makes use of some common techs of the Flanker series as the base of further developments (engine, radar, avionics), but in the design wise it is very different and resembles the YF 23 much more then the Flanker, the wings are even comparable to F22, because the aim is the same.
     
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  12. mautkimaut

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    Would love to see this king cobra make its first kill
     
  13. @speaks

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    They are working on Plasma stealth for PAK FA......though not sure abt it
     
  14. Archie

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    Well Its true that Most modern radars would be able to detect MKIs at 200 Km ,BUT problem is that most air to air Missiles don't have range of 200 km , at most range is 120 Km , which is for Meteor or Aim120D which are unlikely to be in the Inventory of PAF or PLAAF
    While thanks to its super Massive radar Even MKI would be able to detect a 2 sqm target at 150 Km , Giving it the chance to have a kill

    By the way PAKFAs rcs is suposed to be Between .05 to .01 Sqm , which is Larger than F22A's .0001 and F35's .001 to .01 and J20's 0.1
     
  15. Archie

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    Re: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

    Well guys
    Do u Know How many Su30MKI IAF actually operate
    Coz numbers actually vary according to different sources , and even on Wiki
    While Indian Airforce link show 142 Su30 MKI fighters in 7 Sqds as of Jan 2011 Indian Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Aircrafts of Indian Ar force link show 151 Su30MKI as on April 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Indian_Air_Force
    How can fighter number increase by 9 aircrafts in just 3 months

    While Some other lesser known sources place the number between 124-132
     
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