Su-30MKI Multirole Fighter Aircraft and Super 30 Upgrade News, Discussions..

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. BON PLAN
    Offline

    BON PLAN Captain FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,800
    Likes Received:
    494
    Country Flag:
    France
    And what about quantum radar ?
     
  2. lca-fan
    Online

    lca-fan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    993
    Country Flag:
    India
    Indian Air Force Su-30MKIs to Get Su-35 Engines After Modernization
    Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by WolfPack86, Today at 9:10 PM.[​IMG]

    Russian Sukhoi Su-30MKI operated by the Indian Air Force after modernization will get the AL-41F turbofan engines designed for 4++ generation aircraft currently being installed on the Su-35 fighters, United Engine Corporation CEO Alexander Artyuhov said Wednesday. “Speaking of the modernization of the Su-30MKI aircraft in terms of the engine, we have developed the engine AL-41F1C, it is being installed on the Su-35. This engine is exhibited at our stand and can be used for the Su-30MKI,” Artyuhov said during press conference at Aero India 2017. He added that the engine was significantly superior than its predecessors. The Sukhoi Su-30MKI super-maneuverable fighter jet is a version of the Su-30MK developed for India by Russia’s Sukhoi Aviation Corporation. The Indian Air Force has a fleet of over 200 Russia-designed aircraft built under license by India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. The 11th edition of the Aero India exhibition will be held until 18 February. The expo is attended by over 750 companies from India and around the world.
    1. http://idrw.org/indian-air-force-su-30mkis-to-get-su-35-engines-after-modernization/
     
  3. randomradio
    Offline

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Messages:
    8,348
    Likes Received:
    2,974
    The ROFAR is 1-2 years away from delivering an early prototype. It will be given as an option for the PAK FA program depending on its success.

    A PAK FA capable prototype can be ready before 2021 if the first prototype succeeds. If this radar succeeds, then it can be introduced during the MKIzation of the FGFA, but I think it's more realistic on the two-seat FGFA. They should introduce the single seat with more mature technologies, unless of course, they believe ROFAR is mature enough.

    I have reason to believe IAF had originally asked for this radar, which the Russians said would cost $2B to develop, that IAF will have to foot the entire bill.

    And, since then, Russia's R&D budget has nearly doubled. So who knows, there might be good news for us.

    First the ROFAR hardware has to succeed. ROFAR will give birth to a quantum radar because the hardware will be very similar, playing with photons in the internal circuits.
     
    Grevion and SR-91 like this.
  4. Gessler
    Offline

    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Messages:
    8,955
    Likes Received:
    6,817
    Country Flag:
    India
    Are you sure of those timelines bro...it all seems too early. First KRET has to develop a lab model to find out exactly how photons behave at long ranges, and how to capture a proper return without too much loss, and have to make the back-end equipment that can make sense of the return image in a way that is tactically relevant and can actually be used for fire-control. We're talking about a bigger leap than from propellers to jet engines.

    Then, after a workable ground rig gives satisfactory results - an airborne testbed (usually based on a passenger plane like a Tu-154 or something) has to be integrated with an airborne version in a modified nose.

    [​IMG]

    By the time the prototype radars have to be produced in any number, the tech has to go to radar agencies that have an actual production capacity (like Tikhomirov or Phazotron).

    All this process could easily take 8 years or more. And that is if everything goes to plan. Let's not forget Tikhomirov had displayed prototypes of AESA radar more than a decade ago but their AESA is yet not 100% ready (most of the testing's done I guess, but still a way to go).
     
    Grevion and SR-91 like this.
  5. SR-91
    Offline

    SR-91 FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    50
    Likes Received:
    58
    Country Flag:
    India

    How about the khibiny jammers, will they be part of MKIsation?
    What is quatum radar? Never heard of it before. Thx
     
  6. randomradio
    Offline

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Messages:
    8,348
    Likes Received:
    2,974
    I have only given a time frame they themselves revealed. The project 'officially' started in 2014. They said they will have a prototype by 2018 and it will undergo tests. By 2021, it can be fit on the PAK FA.

    Their objective is to have it operational in early 2020s. But I wouldn't consider it mature technology then. So I would much rather wait for them to deliver it on future versions of PAK FA even if it fits into FGFA's time frame.
     
  7. randomradio
    Offline

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Messages:
    8,348
    Likes Received:
    2,974
    No clue.

    Quantum radars use quantum properties for detection. It's completely different from classic mechanics. You can't cheat it with current technologies.
     
    SR-91 likes this.
  8. Gessler
    Offline

    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Messages:
    8,955
    Likes Received:
    6,817
    Country Flag:
    India
    Yes, I've read that report too. Getting a lab model ready by next year might be possible. But no way they can take it airborne so soon.
     
  9. randomradio
    Offline

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Messages:
    8,348
    Likes Received:
    2,974
    They are not telling us everything for obvious reasons.
     
  10. randomradio
    Offline

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Messages:
    8,348
    Likes Received:
    2,974
  11. GuardianRED
    Offline

    GuardianRED 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    343
    Likes Received:
    548
    Country Flag:
    India
  12. Grevion
    Online

    Grevion Professional Think TROLL FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    914
    Likes Received:
    1,395
    Country Flag:
    India
    Exceptional performance by the Indian flankers given the fact that they only "entered IAF service in 2009" :wink:
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2017
    GuardianRED and Abingdonboy like this.
  13. Abingdonboy
    Online

    Abingdonboy Captain THINK TANK

    Messages:
    1,154
    Likes Received:
    3,020
    Country Flag:
    United Kingdom
    Super Su-30 MKI cockpit mockup:

    [​IMG]
     
    SR-91, Grevion and Gessler like this.
  14. Golden_Rule
    Offline

    Golden_Rule 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    226
    Likes Received:
    201
    It looks quite disproportionate and mismatched
     
  15. Abingdonboy
    Online

    Abingdonboy Captain THINK TANK

    Messages:
    1,154
    Likes Received:
    3,020
    Country Flag:
    United Kingdom

Share This Page