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Sukhoi Su-57 / PAK FA 5th Generation Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by tariqkhan18, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. The Drdo Guy

    The Drdo Guy Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha..........Kya joke mara bhai ne....I mean really a nice joke ...
     
  2. ricky123

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    you can also see the new ram coating under the wing being tested .
     
  3. yahya

    yahya 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    they made it in 8 years
     
  4. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    To date there are 5 prototype PAKFA, make that four one caught on fire.

    F-35 Lightning II Program Meets 2015 Aircraft Delivery Goal
    December 21, 2015
    The Department of Defense (DOD) accepted its 45th F-35 Lightning II aircraft delivery for 2015, meeting the program production goal for the year. With this delivery, Lockheed Martin has delivered 154 operational aircraft to the DOD and partner nations since program inception.



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    “Meeting aircraft production goals is a critical stepping stone in demonstrating the program is ready for the expected significant production ramp up,” said Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan, F-35 Program Executive Officer. “It took thousands of people around the world to achieve this milestone and they should all be proud of what they accomplished.”

    The 45 F-35 deliveries include:

    • 26 F-35A - U.S. Air Force

    • 2 F-35A - Royal Norwegian Air Force (first two)

    • 1 F-35A - Aeronautica Militare (first Italian Air Force)

    • 8 F-35B - U.S. Marine Corps

    • 8 F-35C – 4 U.S. Navy /4 U.S. Marine Corps

    The 45 F-35 Lightning II aircraft are assigned to the following installations:

    • 17 - Luke Air Force Base, Glendale, AZ – including all international jets

    • 8 - Marine Corps Air Station, Beaufort, SC

    • 8 - Eglin Air Force Base, Valparaiso, FL

    • 5 - Hill Air Force Base, Ogden, UT

    • 7 - Nellis Air Force Base, Las Vegas, NV

    “Delivering the most F-35s in program history is a clear demonstration of our growing maturity and stability,” said Lorraine Martin, Lockheed Martin F-35 Program General Manager. “Congratulations to the entire government and industry team for their work to deliver 45 aircraft.”
     
  5. Averageamerican

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    IAF’s has several reasons to close down the MoD with the Russian FGFA, but the top three reasons as recorded in the minutes of the meeting were as follows:

    1) Russians’ reluctance to share the design information with India and Indian Air Force
    2) The engines of the fighter AL-41F1 are not as appealing as they just the upgraded versions of Sukhoi’s 30 MKI AL-31’s engines.
    3) The exorbitant expenses involved in the project, a whopping $6 billion is what India is shelling out to co-develop the project, which would mean that a large part of IAF capital would remain locked up.

    The Russian officials did have their counter arguments where they mentioned that the radar and the Al-41F engine is temporary and they would be developed eventually.

    There were more short falls put forward by the IAF like the problems encountered with the quality control, the unpatched wings that may fall apart in cases of stressed maneuvers and the delay in the commencement of the architecture. When all these points are put together, the entire amount of the $6 Billion is relatively huge to pay up.
     
  7. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    There are eight out of which one caught fire and is in storage.

    2 are static and 5 are flying today. 3 more will join between Feb and May. The last will be static.

    And this is not including 4 FGFA prototypes.
     
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    PM Narendra Modi will leave for Moscow today.
    Russia has made a new offer on the delivery of Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA) fighter jets to India under the joint fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) initiative.
    Under the new offer, India will have to pay $3.7 billion, instead of $6 billion, for the technological know-how and three prototypes of PAK FA fighters. The proposal awaits a decision from Prime Minister Narendra Modi, when he meets Russian President Vladimir Putin for the annual India-Russia summit this week.
    India and Russia had signed an inter-governmental agreement to co-develop and co-produce the FGFA in 2007, which was followed by the $295 million preliminary design contract in December 2010. Modelled on the successful Brahmos missile project, the project involves Russia’s Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The overall FGFA project cost for making 127 single-seat fighters in India has been estimated to be around $30 billion.
    The final design contract, under which both sides were to contribute an initial $6 billion each for prototype development and production, has not been signed between India and Russia so far. Meanwhile, Russia has gone ahead with the development of PAK FA and claims that it will enter service with the Russian Air Force in 2016, and enter serial production in 2017.
    “Now that they already have the fighter, the Russians have made a revised offer to us. For $3.7 billion, they will give us all the technological know-how of making the fighter. We will also get three prototypes from them in that amount,” a senior defence ministry official said.
    But the Indian Air Force (IAF) remains opposed to the idea. A senior IAF official said, “We are not in favour of the FGFA. The PAK FA fighter is too expensive at even this rate, and we are not sure of its capabilities.”
    Sources said the Russian offer is driven by Moscow’s cash crunch and lack of firm orders with its defence industry."


    These IAF officials need to be shot. Not in favour? *** Not in favour of more Su-30MKIs, not in favour of Tejas, not in favour of PAK FA but in favour of an equally expensive Rafale.

    Wonder what the price decrease is in aid of. A near $2.5B decrease is not something to be scoffed at.
     
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  9. The Drdo Guy

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    well MOD will be more than happy to invest $6 billion if India get to know every thing about this A/C and produces all it's part here within a JV...Lets see where the PAKFA goes..@Tejpal, IAF official just said that we do not know its capability and if it comes to be really that much capable as it claims to be then certainly we can think about buying them/making them here...Why he said it's costly at that price because India will get only prototypes to fly them and not develop them from scratch..Then we have TOT and we assemble them here...But to make them here means not to source any part from Russia and this is not offered in the revised contract..So chill man..
     
  10. Averageamerican

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    I keep telling you the Russians are trying to screw you on the PAKFA.
     
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    Hopefully things are more clear by tomorrow.
     
  12. Gessler

    Gessler BANNED BANNED

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    He should be landing in Russia anytime now.
     
  13. randomradio

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    You will also find many officers in the air force who are in favour of FGFA and not in favour of Rafale. It is unnecessary to get angry at the opinion of just one of the many officers. This officer may not even be in the decision making chain, so it's only his opinion. Why are you getting angry at someone's opinion?

    The fact is the article is mostly critical of FGFA, so the author needed someone who would say something negative about the FGFA.

    I won't be surprised if the author just added that quote on his own. Only the chief or the spokesperson for the air force can say stuff like "We" in the statement. I actually doubt whether he even knows the cost of the FGFA or what the IAF budget will actually be when the FGFA is ready for induction in 2024. What is expensive today, could be more affordable in 8 years time.
     
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    Kind of looks like the Russians run into economic and technical problems and want to dump the PAKFA into Indias lap for six billion dollars. This is going to be fun to watch.
     

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