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Sukhoi Su-57 / PAK FA 5th Generation Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by tariqkhan18, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. randomradio

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    There may not be a decision on FGFA this year. This is most likely Rafale's year. And by year, I mean up to March 2016.
     
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    My Masarji was a Group Captain, recently retired due to heart issues, so I'm hardly calling for literally all IAF officials to be slaughtered. Only the "IAF officials" that appear in ******* hitjobs.
     
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    Its pretty clear that Russia is dumping the PAKFA, doubt if India is going to do any better, both Russia and India are just not technological enough advanced to compete with USA F35s and other technology.
     
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    Yet Russia's flankers are advanced and capable enough to match and exceed the US' F18 SHs/F15s/F16s...funny that, eh?
     
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    Would be funny if true, and if the USA did not plan to have laser modules deployable on their air craft by 2018. USA did not spend a half trillion on military research a year for 20 years for nothing. Do you have any idea how far behind the rest of the world is""??
     
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    Air Force Moves Aggressively On Lasers By Sydney J. Freedberg Jr. on August 07, 2015 at 3:01 PM
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    A laser experiment at the Air Force Research Laboratory

    TYSON’S CORNER: All branches of the military really want laser weapons. But they don’t all want them for the same missions. What struck me after a recent conference here was how differently the US Air Force is approaching lasers.

    The USAF is pursing a two-pronged approach: They want to mount lasers on both the large AC-130 gunship and a smaller fighter, probably the relatively roomy F-15E Strike Eagle. Neither prong leads to the kind of missile defense system that’s the holy grail for the Army and the Navy. Instead, the Air Force wants lasers, initially, to shoot down incoming anti-aircraft weapons and, ultimately, to attack both flying and ground targets.

    All told, both the technical hurdles and the tactical applications for the Air Force are significantly more challenging than the other services’ laser efforts.

    “They are trying to do the hardest thing first,” future warfare expert Mark Gunzinger told me.

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    F-15E Strike Eagle

    Technically, it’s a lot easier to fit a laser weapon on a ground base, a Navy ship, or even an Army truck than in an airplane, especially one as small as a fighter, where every ounce counts and every component vibrates during flight. The world’s first and only operational laser weapon happens to be installed aboard the USS Ponce, which displaces almost 17,000 tons. By contrast, the Air Force AC-130J weighs 82 tons fully loaded, the F-15E just 40.

    Tactically, for the Army, Marine Corps, and the Navy, lasers are primarily defensive. The Army’s truck-borne High-Energy Laser Mobile Demonstrator (HEL-MD), the Marine’s Humvee-mounted Ground-Based Air Defense (GBAD), and the Navy’s Laser Weapon System (LaWS) are designed to shoot down incoming artillery shells, rockets, and drones, although LaWS can burn out the motors of fast attack boats as well. The ultimate objective is a laser with the power and range to shoot down incoming ballistic and cruise missiles, protecting a base, ground unit, or naval task force.

    The Air Force mindset is a little more aggressive. “My customer is the enemy. I deliver violence,” said Lt Gen. Brad Heithold, head of Air Force Special Operations Command, at the directed energy conference. While the 105 millimeter cannon on his AC-130 gunships today gives him plenty of killing power, Heithold said, he’d like to add the option of a laser weapon that’s pinpoint-precise and capable of dialing energy up or down to be more or less destructive as needed.

    “Directed energy gives you that opportunity to be much more lethal,” said the vice-chief of Air Combat Command, Maj. Gen. Jerry Harris. “Right now, when we talk about an air-to-air engagement, we measure it in miles and minutes,” he told the conference. “With directed energy, you change that to milliseconds.”

    For comparison, an AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missile flies at about 3,000 miles per hour. (The exact figure is classified). A laser moves at the speed of light, 186,000 miles per second.

    What’s more, a laser only runs out of ammunition when you run out of electrical power. A single gallon of gas can power multiple blasts. So instead of carrying at most half-a-dozen supersonic missiles, a laser-armed aircraft could fire hundreds of shots that travel at the speed of light — and then rendezvous with an aerial refueling tanker to reload its weapons without ever landing.

    Because lasers can fire an infinite number of light-speed shots, they’re ideal for intercepting high-speed threats. The Air Force is hardly blind to their defensive value. But the Air Force perspective on defense is narrower than the Army’s or Navy’s: Rather than try to protect a ship, a base, or a fleet, the USAF focuses on self-protection of the individual aircraft carrying the laser. (Indeed, aircraft already carry low-power infra-red lasers — DIRCM and LAIRCM — that can blind some heat-seeking missiles, although not radar-guided ones). Such defenses could keep aircraft alive in the danger zones of a Chinese-style “anti-access/area denial” defense.

    The Air Force also sees lasers as multi-purpose offensive/defensive weapons that can fire in a low-power mode for self-defense, then dial up to a non-lethal offensive mode — burning out sensors or engines, for example — or all the way to “kill.”

    “I used to think offensive first and foremost,” Heithold said. But after talking to industry about the art of the possible, he went on, he came to realize that “a single laser can be defensive and offensive,” depending on the power applied.

    “Directed energy can be used against weapons coming at us but also used to go after the shooter,” Harris said. Near-term lasers may not have the raw power to blow an enemy aircraft out of the sky, but they could burn out its radar and other electronics.

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    AC-130J gunship

    “It is possible in the near term to develop and field the next generation of laser defenses that will burn out, not just blind, sensors on SAMs [surface-to-air missiles] and air-to-air-missiles,” said Gunzinger, a former Air Force pilot now at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, which co-sponsored the conference. In fact, lasers would be especially effective against the most advanced missiles, those with sensitive multi-mode sensors. “Within the next five years,” he told me, “we could have 150-plus kW lasers on aircraft, [starting] on gunships and bombers.”
     
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    The Air Force, however, is focused on fighters. That’s a tighter fit than gunships or bombers, so the Air Force Research Laboratory has a relatively cautious three-phase plan, AFRL commander Maj. Gen. Thomas Masiello said at the conference:

    1. A defensive system with “tens of kilowatts” of power called SHIELD, the Self-protected HIgh-Energy Laser Demonstration. It will be demonstrated circa 2020.
    2. A longer-range defensive system with 100 kilowatts of power, to be demonstrated in 2022.
    3. A 300-kilowatt offensive system capable of destroying enemy aircraft and ground targets at long range.
    All these systems will be weapons pods or other external add-ons to existing aircraft, not “fully integrated” inside the airframe like a gun or radar, Masiello cautioned. That means radar-evading aircraft like the F-35 or F-22 couldn’t use them without sacrificing stealth. “We’re talking decades to have some sort of a 300-kw laser possibly integrated into a fighter,” he said.

    The SHIELD demo will also look at engaging “soft” ground targets on behalf of Lt. Gen. Heithold and Air Force Special Operations Command. “Soft” wasn’t clearly defined, but it probably means sensors, communications equipment, and other delicate but high-value systems.

    After SHIELD, though, it seems likely the fighter laser and the gunship laser will diverge, since the AC-130 has so much more space, weight, and power available. Special Operations is also famous for getting new technology into the field faster than the regular military, albeit in small quantities.

    On an AC-130, “it is relatively easy to give up 5-10,000 pounds of weight to this,” Hehithold said. A gunship with a high-energy laser is just “a couple of years out,” he said. For the Air Force laser effort as a whole, he said, “that might be where we start.”
     
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    Generally even IAF people say something based on a context and that gets misconstrued by authors. Even the most innocent statements can be twisted.
     
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    Saurav Jha says

    The Russians have to let the IAF take a proper look at their latest T-50 prototype.

    But I'll say this, the FGFA we will finally induct will have proper stealth skins,conformal arrays, true sensor fusion and a 180 KN engine.
     
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    It will never happen, your being conned.
     
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    PM Modi’s Russia visit: New, cheaper deal on Sukhoi fighter jets on the cards
    PM Modi’s Russia visit: New, cheaper deal on Sukhoi fighter jets on the cards
    Russia has made a new offer on the delivery of Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA) fighter jets to India under the joint fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) initiative.

    Under the new offer, India will have to pay $3.7 billion, instead of $6 billion, for the technological know-how and three prototypes of PAK FA fighters. The proposal awaits a decision from Prime Minister Narendra Modi, when he meets Russian President Vladimir Putin for the annual India-Russia summit this week.

    India and Russia had signed an inter-governmental agreement to co-develop and co-produce the FGFA in 2007, which was followed by the $295 million preliminary design contract in December 2010. Modelled on the successful Brahmos missile project, the project involves Russia’s Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The overall FGFA project cost for making 127 single-seat fighters in India has been estimated to be around $30 billion.

    The final design contract, under which both sides were to contribute an initial $6 billion each for prototype development and production, has not been signed between India and Russia so far. Meanwhile, Russia has gone ahead with the development of PAK FA and claims that it will enter service with the Russian Air Force in 2016, and enter serial production in 2017.

    “Now that they already have the fighter, the Russians have made a revised offer to us. For $3.7 billion, they will give us all the technological know-how of making the fighter. We will also get three prototypes from them in that amount,” a senior defence ministry official said.

    But the Indian Air Force (IAF) remains opposed to the idea. A senior IAF official said, “We are not in favour of the FGFA. The PAK FA fighter is too expensive at even this rate, and we are not sure of its capabilities.”

    Sources said the Russian offer is driven by Moscow’s cash crunch and lack of firm orders with its defence industry.
     
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    There's something big happening on the FGFA front.

    Broadsword: Indian, Russian negotiators agree on FGFA development: Cost of project reduced to $4 billion each

    The Indian Air Force (IAF), once an ardent backer of the proposed Indo-Russian fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), has for the last two years sharply attacked the project. Critics say the FGFA is on the back burner to clear the way for the French Rafale fighter.

    President Francois Hollande of France, who arrives in Delhi on Monday, has talked up the sale of 36 Rafales to India for an estimated $9 billion (Rs 60,000 crore).

    Yet the FGFA remains alive. Last month Indian and Russian negotiators achieved a major breakthrough, agreeing to develop the FGFA at a lowered cost of $4 billion (Rs 27,000 crore) in India. That would open the doors to building of 250 FGFAs to replace the Sukhoi-30MKI.

    Since 2008, the project was estimated to cost India and Russia $5.5 billion (Rs 37,000 crore) each. Adding inflation, that would be $6 billion (Rs 40,500 crore) each.

    Now negotiators from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd and Sukhoi - the development agencies; have agreed to do this 40 per cent more cheaply, for $4 billion spread over seven years. In the first year after signing, each side would pay $1 billion (Rs 6,750 crore), and another $500 million (Rs 3,380 crore) in each of the following six years.

    Sukhoi is already test-flying the FGFA's precursor, which Russia calls the PAK-FA (Perspektivny Aviatsionny Kompleks Frontovoy Aviatsii, or "Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation"). The FGFA project involves improving the PAK-FA significantly to meet the IAF's specifications. The IAF wants some 50 improvements to the PAK-FA, including a 360-degree radar and more powerful engines.

    The proposal for a $4 billion research and development contract (R&D contract) will now come before a defence ministry "cost negotiation committee", and then to the Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar.

    The R&D Contract visualises a prototype fighter flying in India within three years. In total, 11 prototypes would be built - eight of these PAK-FAs for the Russian Air Force, and three FGFAs for India.

    Each country has already spent $295 million (Rs 1483 crore) on a "preliminary design contract" (PDC), Parrikar told parliament on August 4, 2015. The PDC, which spelt out the fighter's detailed configuration, was completed in June 2013.
     
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