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Sukhoi Su-57 / PAK FA 5th Generation Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by tariqkhan18, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    A long-delayed programme for a fifth generation fighter aircraft that India and Russia were to develop together seems to have hit rough weather, as Defence Ministry feels it may turn out to be too expensive.A committee was constituted by the Defence Ministry to look into the details of the programme between India and Russia, which has been in pipeline since 2007.

    The committee recently submitted a report on the programme to the ministry and as per it, the cost of developing four prototype fighter jets would cost around $6 billion, which is very high according to officials in the Defence Ministry. India and Russia had inked an inter-governmental pact for the FGFA project in 2007. It was to be based on the Russian Sukhoi-57 or the PAK FA T-50 fighter jet.

    India has earlier also told the Russian side that the project’s cost was too high, and had also discussed buying the Su-57 fighters. In December 2010, India had agreed to pay $295 million towards the preliminary design of the fighter, also referred to as ‘Perspective Multi-role Fighter’ (PMF). However, negotiations faced various hurdles in the subsequent years.

    There were several disagreements between New Delhi and Moscow, including on work and cost share, aircraft technology, as well as the number of aircraft to be ordered. After evaluating the first PAK FA T-50 prototype (the Russian prototype of the PMF), the Indian Air Force (IAF) wanted more than 40 changes addressing, among other things, perceived weaknesses in the plane’s engine, stealth, and weapon-carrying capabilities.
     
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  2. LonewolfSandeep

    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    We know the above article is fake/paid article - reason
    a) no credible sources have been quoted - to validate.
    b) talks of $6 billion, when we have credible sources confirming that is not the case.
    http://indiandefence.com/threads/su...-generation-aircraft.851/page-312#post-583532

    Truth is Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Rostec Corporation, had said the second stage of the project is being discussed and will be completed in the near future as documents have been signed. Also listen to similar recent statement from HAL.

    Avoid posting article pls, which are not quoted by respected Indian/Russian institutes or high ranking persons of repute.

    Any anonymous, can say moon not going around earth. instead moon is still, earth is going around moon. you wont forward that article to others, as its anonymous. till some scientist of repute or science magazine, dont claim so, simply throw such articles in junk bin. not worth any intelligent being time.
     
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  3. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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  4. SUNDRA ANAND

    SUNDRA ANAND FULL MEMBER

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    Wonder if even the F-22 and F-35 can do such stunts as done by the Su-57 (T-50) imcluding the Cobra.
     
  5. defc0n

    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I am sure F-35 & F-22 can do them as well!
     
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  6. SUNDRA ANAND

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    Yes...especially now that the F-35 and F-22 now has thrust vectoring as well.
     
  7. defc0n

    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    F-22 has a 2-D TV. But I don't think F-35 has thrust vectoring ( I am not sure, but I think I read it somewhere, I'll let experts confirm this ).
     
  8. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    F 35 B to take off need thrust vectoring.
     
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  9. Gessler

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    F22 can do the Cobra. I don't think F35 can. You don't need TVC to do this btw.
     
  10. X_Killer

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    T-50-2 experiencing dual engine compressor stall during extreme maneuvering.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. YarS

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    Even numbers in Su classification usually means bombers.
    Su-2, Su-4, Su-6, Su-8, Su-10, Su-24, Su-34...
     
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  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Translated

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170830/1501408148.html
     
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    IAF not in favour of acquiring Russian 5th gen jets, keen on DRDO’s AMCA
    Published September 2, 2017 SOURCE: INDIA TODAY
    It seems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is not in favour of acquiring the 127 fifth-generation fighter aircraft from Russia due to the “very high cost” involved in the project. It in turn wants to back a DRDO Make in India project – which it is planning to develop a similar plane called Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA). It is learnt that IAF’s views on the aircraft programme have been conveyed to the defence ministry even as a government panel has expressed its views in favour of the programme. “The Air Force has its reservations on the programme mainly on three points. First, the project cost is too high and way beyond what it had expected. The learning curve is not there as the project is already at an advanced stage and the stealth technology of the planes is not as advanced as that of the other similar planes,” senior government sources told Mail Today. MAINTENANCE COST VERY HIGH: IAF The maintenance cost of the planes is also expected to be very high and similar to that of the Sukhoi-30 planes whose maintenance and upkeep has been quite demanding in their around 20 years in the force, they said. The Russians were developing the aircraft known as PAKFA on their side as a counter to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightening, which are considered the latest combat planes with stealth technologies and abilities to strike farther than their older counterparts. “The cost of the FGFA progarmme is coming to be huge. While we have already spent close to $300 million (Rs 2,000 crore) on the preliminary design phase, the Russians are demanding $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) as the development cost of the planes which is coming to be much higher than what we had perceived,” the sources revealed. AIR MARSHAL SAYS OTHERWISE “The Russians are asking us to make big investments in the programme. While we are planning to induct only 12 of these planes in their IAF, they are asking India to buy 127 of these aircraft,” added the sources. Sources said the investment of $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) would give India only four prototypes of the FGFA aircraft and it will have to pay another $135 million (Rs 900 crore) each for the 127 planes, which would be ready for induction only after 2027-28. The cost per aircraft at the time of delivery in 2027-28, due to high inflation in defence deals, would come around $250 million bringing the total project value to around $32 billion (Rs 2 lakh crore), sources also said. Air Marshal S Varthman committee has recommended that the IAF should go ahead to coproduce the planes with Russia and the Defence ministry has to decide on it taking into account both the viewpoints.

    idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Websitehttp://idrw.org/iaf-not-in-favour-o...th-gen-jets-keen-on-drdos-amca/#disqus_thread .
     
  14. Vidyanshu

    Vidyanshu Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I guess it's another paid article
     
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  15. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Of course. Two major mistakes in it:

    - the Russians are demanding $6.7 billion

    - While we are planning to induct only 12 of these planes in their IAF, they are asking India to buy 127 of these aircraft,” added the sources.

    The only named source in the article says we should go ahead with FGFA. :lol:
     

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