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Sukhoi Su-57 / PAK FA 5th Generation Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by tariqkhan18, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Russian language does not have H sound. So they use a different russian word which is "tshkh' or G as replacement. Russian laughter is not hehehe but khay khay khay.
     
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    https://theaviationist.com/?p=43577
     
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    There were two stops: one was planned in Novosibirsk and the other was unplanned in Irkutsk
     
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    You are underestimating Russia while forgetting that Europe is in decline as well. The Russians will have to learn to delay their military procurement and diversify their economy.

    As for PAK FA, if India doesn't get in on it, then they will buy 25+ jets a year instead of 50+ and compensate for the rest with a cheaper option.
     
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    Europe is old, no doubt about it. Even Canada has more seniors than youth now :(.

    I'm not really underestimating Russia, sure I have a lower opinion of their technology/economy than most Indians do I guess, but demographics are something that's pretty hard to misinterpret. And despite Putin's attempts, fertility rates never stay swayed by domestic policy for long (Singapore, Denmark, Erdogan and Japan sure have tried) Even China's dictatorship has missed the mark when it comes to that. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...te-soars-after-relaxation-of-one-child-policy http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/china-now-has-the-lowest-fertility-rate-the-world-18570

    Combine that with the massive aids/alcohol problem, Russia's demographics are heading for a cliff.

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-08-30/while-russian-government-looks-away-aids-spreads-quickly

    Russia is projected for a -16% population loss by 2050.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/03/10-projections-for-the-global-population-in-2050/


    Also, when it comes to diversification they better hurry.

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    Stuff that is extracted out of the earth accounts for over 3/4ths of Russia's exports.


    edit: Back on topic for the PAKFA.

    I doubt Russia ever reaches 25 jets a year. By the time the SU-57 is fully operational with the proper engine it will be soonish for sixth generation planes to pop up.
     
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    Russia will lose 16% of its population, but the combined EEU will neither gain nor lose. So while the EEU population will stagnate, the EU will decline. And the US will be occupied dealing with China, they will not have the ability to help the EU like they did during the Cold War. While the combined US+EU might was good enough to face the Soviets, this time the US+EU team will be the underdogs in the long run.

    Diversification doesn't mean exports of course. They have to create hitech jobs, agriculture, real estate etc.

    6th gen jets won't become available until 2040. By then they will have made multiple versions of PAK FA.

    Take the current crop of Flankers. They have production facilities for 30+ Su-30SMs, and 1 regiment each of Su-34 and Su-35. That's over 80 jets a year in their current economic status. Russia in 2030 would be far richer. Their economy is out of recession, they will start growing at at least 3-4% on average until 2050, never mind the 5-7% that is actually expected of them.
     
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    Even the F-35 went through years of development . So it is not surprising if Su-57 takes that much time as well.
     
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    It is better for India to invest in Sukhoi Su-57 stealth multirole fighter jets instead of France's Dassault Rafale omnirole fighter jets as it would be needed in case of a war with China as China would be fielding their stealth fighter jets which would be an advantage over Rafales but not Su-57s.
     
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    The following article is not about Su57, but gives some interesting info's on it's potential future:

    https://theaviationist.com/?p=43641
     
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    It is best for India to go for Tejas LCAs to replace the ageing fleet of MiG-21s, French Dassault Rafales to fulfill its MMRCA fighter jets requirements since France has agreed to jointly produce the fighter jets in India due to competition from US's Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 70 and Sweden's Saab Gripen E as well as Russia's Sukhoi Su-57 stealth fighter jets for its future fighter jets requirements in addition to the Su-30MKI multirole fighter jets.
     
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