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Sukhoi Su-57 / PAK FA 5th Generation Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by tariqkhan18, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. Agent_47

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    1st images of Izdeliye 30 turbofan/nozzle for Sukhoi-57 photographed during Sergey Sobyanin's visit to "Salyut"
     
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    NNicee :)... How does this news affect the timeline? wrt to the IAF ?
     
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    @Agent_47 - see red box in article - matches time line?


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  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    TV or in this case the sawtooth edges of the nozzles won't mean much to IAF, since that was not the main issue for them. They wanted Russia to develop a new engine, with higher thrust than the AL41 upgrade from the Su 35 engine. So we still have to see if the performance and reliability the Type 30 is at a level, that would fit to IAFs demands.
     
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    Understood... Still in addition to the issues you have mention! , isn't the delay also an issue? . With this update on the engines - would we see any update on the timeline? or im just jumping the gun for now?
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    As said, we don't know if the performance is at the required level, while we knew before that they have developed TVC.
    Also from what we hear in the reports, it's more like a contractual issue between GoI and Russia, ToT, work share, customization, costs of course.
    Unless the government pulls out in favour for the F16/F35 combo, there is no way around Su 57 / FGFA, the sooner the better!
     
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    NEW DELHI – The ambitious $10 billion Indo-Russian program for joint development and production of fifth generation fighter aircraft, or FGFA, faces a new serious hurdle, as the Indian Air Force demands a discontinuation of the project.

    Senior IAF leadership recently expressed apprehension to the Ministry of Defence, claiming the proposed FGFA program with Russia does not meet desired requirements like U.S. F-35 fighter type capabilities, disclosed a senior IAF official. That official added, that “IAF is not keen to continue with the program.”

    The proposed FGFA program does not meet desired stealth and cross section features compared to a F-35 fighter, the official explained, thus major structural changes are needed that cannot be met in the existing Russian prototypes.



    FGFA also does not have modular engine concept, making maintenance and serviceability of the fleet expensive and troublesome. A second service official said the modular engine concept is required for the fleet serviceability and availability of FGFA aircrafts at short notice, since it can be done by the user itself.

    Russians have offered non-modular engines for FGFA and its maintenance and other relations can only be handled by the manufacturer.

    Russian Embassy diplomats here were unavailable for comments.

    Vaijinder K Thakur, retired IAF squadron leader and defense analyst disagreement with the Air Force assessment of capability, saying that the current Russian FGFA prototype, known as Su-57, features the AL-41F1 engine. But the production variant of FGFA would be fitted with the Product 30 engine which is 30 percent lighter, features improved thrust, and has better fuel efficiency and fewer moving parts. That results in improved reliability and 30 percent lower life-cycle cost, Thakur said.

    Without having operated U.S. fighters, the IAF is hardly in a position to pronounce judgment on the comparative long-term operating costs of Russian and U.S. fighters, Thakur added.


    https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...rce-wants-out-of-fighter-program-with-russia/
     
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  8. zebra7

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    And why would we buy this BS article, when with F35 india have to buy the support equipment, US satellite link, network and supporting equipment, with full control with the US regarding all missions plus 24X365 opened our base for us officials and technician. This lollypop is good for the NATO forces, with Cismoa, beca, etc signed nor did it have the 360 degree situation awareness of the FGFA, nor it is a Air Superiority design rather a strike platform for which we have Rafale, giving us freedom to integrate them with our own AFNet and BMS and our own doctrine.
     
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    This Article is A HIT JOB ; to promote F 35

    It coincides with the visit of US Foreign Minister Tillerson to India

    BTW ; Russian Embassy ; Russian Govt . has been Totally Silent on this matter
     
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    The Russians don't have the need to say anything. Especially after the go-ahead from the expert panel.
     
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    Let it take Time ; But we must stay engaged and Invested

    Given That our LCA took 20 Years ; We must appreciate the complexities
    and difficulties involved
     
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    https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...rce-wants-out-of-fighter-program-with-russia/

    Indian Air Force wants out of fighter program with Russia
    By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   1 day ago
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    A T-50 prototype for the Su-57 flies at the MAKS 2011 air show. (Alex Beltyukov via WIkipedia Commons)

    NEW DELHI – The ambitious $10 billion Indo-Russian program for joint development and production of fifth generation fighter aircraft, or FGFA, faces a new serious hurdle, as the Indian Air Force demands a discontinuation of the project.

    Senior IAF leadership recently expressed apprehension to the Ministry of Defence, claiming the proposed FGFA program with Russia does not meet desired requirements like U.S. F-35 fighter type capabilities, disclosed a senior IAF official. That official added, that “IAF is not keen to continue with the program.”

    The proposed FGFA program does not meet desired stealth and cross section features compared to a F-35 fighter, the official explained, thus major structural changes are needed that cannot be met in the existing Russian prototypes.



    FGFA also does not have modular engine concept, making maintenance and serviceability of the fleet expensive and troublesome. A second service official said the modular engine concept is required for the fleet serviceability and availability of FGFA aircrafts at short notice, since it can be done by the user itself.

    Russians have offered non-modular engines for FGFA and its maintenance and other relations can only be handled by the manufacturer.

    Russian Embassy diplomats here were unavailable for comments.

    Vaijinder K Thakur, retired IAF squadron leader and defense analyst disagreement with the Air Force assessment of capability, saying that the current Russian FGFA prototype, known as Su-57, features the AL-41F1 engine. But the production variant of FGFA would be fitted with the Product 30 engine which is 30 percent lighter, features improved thrust, and has better fuel efficiency and fewer moving parts. That results in improved reliability and 30 percent lower life-cycle cost, Thakur said.

    Without having operated U.S. fighters, the IAF is hardly in a position to pronounce judgment on the comparative long-term operating costs of Russian and U.S. fighters, Thakur added.
     
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    That still doesn't translate to Eurofighter or Tarani getting a shoo in.
     
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  14. BMD

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    No one said it did.
     
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    Well it looks like the Sukhoi Su-57 stealth fighter jet programme is doomed with India likely to choose the F-35 especially with the good and improving US-India defence relations. It would have been much better if only Jawarharlal Nehru never adopted socialism but instead chose free market economy like what was proposed by J.R.D.Tata. Anyway it is never too late with P.V.Narasimha Rao switching to free market economy in the 1990’s. China did the same even earlier in the 1980’s after despot Mao’s death .
     
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