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Super Duper Sell Off - BJP selling off the country in bits & Parts

Discussion in 'World Economy' started by Paliwal Warrior, Jul 31, 2014.

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  1. INDIAN NATIONALIST

    INDIAN NATIONALIST Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    It is not BJP or Congress or rich or business men or media in India that are the source problem with corruption. All are corrupt; this is a manifestation of corruption in the general population; politicians and businessmen alike are not inherently different from farmers and citizens in general in this respect.

    Here's the problem. BJP has not even been in power for a single year and already there is fear and suspicion about subversive motives behind every move taken.

    India needs reform desperately, but it is not possible to reform if there does not exist a measure of general consensus and unity on the part of the citizenry to have faith in some course of action. Everyone is corrupt, yet some people will have to be responsible for doing something differently, and ultimately accomplishing something.

    We have to get to a point where the citizenry can have some degree of well-placed faith in government, media, and industry to support the interests of our nation, and some degree of unity to appreciate the interests of one another.
    It is not going to be possible to compete with the likes of US, Europe, and PRC if we cannot organize ourselves toward support for any particular cause or faith in any specific course of action.

    I'm not saying we should have blind faith. Of course Indians have good reason to be suspicious of everyone. We've been plundered by foreigners and sold out by our own corrupt leaders and citizens in the past to foreigners. But it's not helpful to merely be suspicious. We need solutions for how to get to a position where we can trust someone, anyone, to do the right thing.

    A healthy degree of intellectual scepticism toward all people and ideas is necessary, but it needs to be balanced with enough faith in one another that we don't have stagnation in reform and development. I don't know how we're going to get to the point of justifying this sort of faith with so much corruption and distrust, but I have faith that it is possible, and moreover it is necessary. It's no good that BJP may be just as corrupt as any other; but it's no better that, even if their efforts were sincere, they wouldn't receive enough support to get anything done that required the cooperation of the citizenry.

    To have a competent nation, citizens need to accept that they are responsible to the state and peoples for more than simply distrusting one another.
     
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  2. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Same reason we buy them from India.
     
  3. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    the reasons are not the same the reasons for buying from india, china bangladesh etc are

    'coz Yumrikees have grown lazy, in addition to being dumb than the asians

    dont wont to toil and so has lost competitiveness
     
  4. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    it has been argued, known and been increasingly seen that wars will be fought less on battlefields and more on economic, resources, technological, financial and social fronts

    so what is wrong in discussing those battlefields, tools and its impact here ?
     
  5. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The new global economy - CNNMoney

    US has 316 million people and those 316 million produce 8 times as much as India 1.3 billion people, an as far as being dumb you don't want to go there.
     
  6. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Khaya Piya Kuchh Nahin, Glass Toda Bara anna

    U.S. agricultural trade 1/, fiscal years, calendar years, year-to-date, and current month
    Fiscal years 2/ Fiscal year-to-date May
    2010 2011 2012 2013 2013 2014 2014
    Billion dollars
    Agricultural exports 108.529 137.389 135.815 140.936 100.012 109.878 11.784
    Agricultural imports 78.963 94.511 103.367 103.845 70.726 72.802 9.773

    Trade balance 3/ 29.566 42.877 32.448 37.090 29.286 37.076 2.010

    Calendar years Calendar year-to-date May
    2010 2011 2012 2013 2013 2014 2014
    Billion dollars
    Agricultural exports 115.820 136.369 141.270 144.102 58.124 64.823 11.784
    Agricultural imports 81.863 98.961 102.910 104.224 45.680 47.377 9.773

    Trade balance 3/ 33.957 37.408 38.360 39.877 12.444 17.447 2.010

    1/ USDA defines agriculture to include: live animals, meat, and products of livestock, poultry, and dairy; hides and skins (but not leather products); animal fats and greases; food and feed grains and grain products; oilseeds and oilseed products; fruits, nuts, and vegetables and products of these; juices, wine, and malt beverages (not distilled spirits); essential oils; planting seeds; raw cotton, wool, and other fibers (not manufactured products of these); unmanufactured tobacco (not manufactured tobacco products); sugar and sugar products; coffee, cocoa, tea, and products of these; rubber and allied products; and stock for nurseries and greenhouses, spices, and crude or natural drugs.
    Fish, shellfish, and forestry products are not included in "agriculture."
    2/ October 1 of previous year through September 30 of current year.
    3/ Exports minus imports.
    Data are not seasonally adjusted.
    Sources: Economic Research Service, using data summed from the Bureau of Census,
    U.S. Department of Commerce.

    What are the oddities included in US agriculture products exports

    Wine
    Crude or Natural Drugs
    Rubber & allied products
    HIdes & Skins
     
  7. Averageamerican

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    US produces almost as much food as India and slightly more then the EU 27 countries. US 316 million India 1.2 million,, EU 507 million
     
  8. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    bringing it back on topic

    The regulatory body concedes that it does not have exact figure for no of agencies - read pvt parties - invovled in water supply in california - HAHAHA

    Corruption , Slush funds for political support plagues the sector while people reeel under the drought conditions

    Where ............

    California struggles to regulate 3,000 water agencies as drought continues
    By Reuters
    Friday, April 25, 2014 8:49 EDT



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    By Tim Reid

    (Reuters) – In the middle of one of the worst droughts in California’s history, no one knows exactly how many agencies supply the state with water.

    While state regulators supervise three companies that provide gas and electricity for most of California, drinking water is delivered through a vast network of agencies which collectively do billions of dollars of business, setting rates and handing out contracts with scant oversight.

    There are so many agencies, in fact, that the California Department of Water Resource, which is responsible for managing and protecting the state’s water, concedes that it does not even know the exact number.

    “We think the total number is about 3,000 but there is no definitive resting place for those numbers,” a department spokesman said.


    Some state officials and water experts are calling for change, arguing that the process of providing water should be as clear as the product, especially in the middle of a drought. As one of the nation’s agricultural leaders and a trendsetter in environmental regulation, California’s actions could be felt beyond its borders.

    Wes Strickland, an attorney who specializes in water law, says most of these water agencies do a good job. Cities and towns like controlling their own resources, and most of the agencies are elected, assuring a level of accountability.

    But, Strickland says, good and bad, most operate “under the radar”, with little public scrutiny. “These agencies are at the forefront of the drought response,” he added.

    John Chiang, the California state controller, is pushing for legislation that will increase fines for public water entities that fail to file annual reports with his office, although no agency is responsible for reading the reports once filed.

    “The lack of transparency provides a breeding ground for unchecked spending, corruption, and fiscal mismanagement,” said Chiang, who in October warned nine cities and 117 special districts, some of which were public entities solely responsible for managing and supplying water, that they were delinquent in filing financial records.

    Just 138 utilities – those owned by investors – are regulated by an outside body, the California Public Utilities Commission, Strickland says. The rest are governed by small boards of locally-elected officials.

    The former general manager and other unidentified current and former officials at one major water system, southern California’s Central Basin Municipal Water District, are accused in a recent whistleblower lawsuit of using a secret $2.7 million fund for groundwater storage as a “slush fund” that funneled cash to political allies, board members and relatives.

    The lawsuit was filed last month by district board member Leticia Vasquez. Under the whistleblower statute she would stand to gain financially if the lawsuit succeeds. The agency’s own lawyers, in a report issued at the end of March after a nine-month investigation, said the water district violated California’s open-meeting laws when it created the fund out of the public eye.

    The former general manager has not yet filed a legal response to the allegations. Efforts to contact him were unsuccessful. The water district said if the case proceeds, it intends to fully cooperate.

    Records relating to the fund were among those subpoenaed by federal officials last year as part of a wider and ongoing FBI investigation into the financial activities of the water district, which sells imported water to water districts in Los Angeles county.

    Three subpoenas, seen by Reuters, requested financial records, documents and personnel records from the water district.

    The FBI and the water district declined to comment or confirm an investigation.

    California’s drought, which is on track to be the third worst since records began in the early 20th century, according to state officials, threatens to have devastating effects in the state and beyond.

    Farmers are considering idling a half million acres of cropland, a loss of production that could cause billions of dollars in economic damage, and several small communities are at risk of running out of drinking water.

    The state also recorded its driest winter to date by March. The state’s snowpack, which provides water in the spring melt, is at a record low.

    From the water wars in the movie “Chinatown” to the quote attributed to Mark Twain, “Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting,” water in the West has a long history of strife.

    As California was settled, small communities would establish their own water wells. Economic and political power often stemmed from water rights and no single entity has ever been put in charge of the system, Strickland says.

    Some of these agencies are scrambling to get new sources of water, which could require wells, water imports and plants to treat tainted water.

    THE COST OF WATER

    Water is expensive. For instance, 885 “special districts”, which provide drinking water for 11 million Californians had operating expenses of $7.3 billion for fiscal year ending 2012. Their long-term bond debt amounted to $20 billion, according to the controller’s office.

    The state is planning an $8 billion water bond and Democratic assemblyman Anthony Rendon, a sponsor, wants to put provisions for stricter oversight of how bond money is spent.

    “Past water bonds have gone to so many different places for so many things it is hard to keep track of the money. We don’t really have a place where we can find out that information,” Rendon said. “There is very little oversight over the management of one of our most sacred and vital resources.”

    State data shows that salaries to water district employees vary widely and that some small agencies are paying big-city wages.

    The state controller’s website, where the latest available records date to 2011, shows the average salary to employees in 45 top-paying water special districts listed by wage totals is over $70,000, and over $100,000 in two districts.

    The chief executive of the Dublin San Ramon Service District in northern California, which serves 157,000 people, will receive wage and benefits of nearly $338,000 for 2014, according to a water district official.

    That compares with $345,000 paid to the general manager of the Department of Water and Power (DWP) in Los Angeles – America’s second largest city with a population of 3.8 million.

    Sue Stephenson, a spokeswoman for the Dublin San Ramon district, defended the high salaries, stating that the San Francisco Bay area had a high cost of living. She also said managing a water district is an extremely responsible job, as clean water has to be on tap for users every minute of every day.

    Most of the agencies are run by elected boards that have to file basic revenue and spending documents, and wage and benefit totals, to California’s state controller. But they do not file full budgets and their contracts are not subject to review or singled out in filings.

    “Nobody pays any attention to these districts. So nobody knows what is going on,” said Robert Stern, an open government advocate and an author of California’s Political Reform Act, a post-Watergate era law designed to make government more financially transparent.

    In the Seeley County Water District, which serves just under 400 homes in the desert near the border with Mexico, General Manager David Dale resigned in March 2008.

    The following month his company Dynamic Consulting Engineers received no-bid contracts from the water district’s board worth over $200,000, followed by another contract worth over $200,000 in 2010, to undertake engineering work, according to copies of the signed contracts provided by the water district.

    Dale said he was giving the board what it wanted by undertaking engineering work, but current Board Director Patrick Harris, who came into office calling for more reform, said the contracts show the lack of accountability.

    “I can’t say it’s illegal. But my impression is it’s unethical. There was absolutely no oversight,” Harris said.

    Dale said: “Districts are not required to go to competitive bidding for professional services. The board selected me. And before they selected me, I stepped down as general manager.”

    (Reporting by Tim Reid, editing by Peter Henderson)

    California struggles to regulate 3,000 water agencies as drought continues
     
  9. Marqueur

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    u have time till tomorrow
     
  10. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    i have posted relevant matter on the issue in post no53 that too in english
     
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    in last ten years the Italian mother of AAPtards initiated railway works worth over 5lakh crore and fooled the people like AK-49 did without bothering to arrange money for those stalled projects. And now the same bunch of morons is calling arranging funds for these projects-National sell off.
    these idiots must realise that NAMO attacked Khujli only once during elections of 2014 by calling him AK-49. And we all know what happened to AAP with just one of those attacks. Now, NAMo & BJP is keeping quiet to let these AAPtards go mad on social media. They will once again strike to finish off AAP.
     
  12. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    in the Last 10 years whenever the railway and the govt proposed fare hikes these same nationalists called the fare hikes anti - poor andh anti national

    now when these nationalists are in power they are resorting to fare hikes which means either

    they are out of thier wits - way above their pay grade as they didnot underrstand the pure economic reason for the fare hikes while in opposition and when came to power realised the folly of thier ways while in opposition.

    or

    They understood the neceesity of the fare hikes while being in opposition but still opposed the farehikes for petty politics and by doing so acted in an Anti National manner damaging the health of the railways and the Nation
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    A railway minister who hiked the railfare in 2013 after a gap of 11 yrs was sacked by its party TMC. BJP did just token protest. But pls educate us as to why your italian mother refused fare hike for 11 yrs while announcing one project after another.
     
  14. Paliwal Warrior

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    NaMo wrote 4 letters to PM in a week opposing the farehike in 2012
     
  15. Lord Aizen

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    BJP led by Modiji has been in government for less than 3 months. How do u known that every one including the PM is corrupt. I have read all your post & u are spreading a false propaganda (no offence). So what should be the Alternate viable government? Sonia -Congress ? You are an absolute illiterate when it comes to 21th century economics (again no offences). Socialism is dead & not viable.
     
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