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T-90 Bhishma / T-72 Ajeya of Indian Army : News and Discussions

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  1. SpArK

    SpArK SorCeroR Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    PHOTOS: Five T-90 Regiments Receive President's Colours


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    Fifty tanks from five T-90 Bhishma tank regiments took part in a brilliant parade at the Babina military station on October 19 where the President of India presented standards to the 83, 12, 13, 15 and 19 Armoured Regiments, all part of the Indian Army's 31 Armoured Division.
     
  2. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    What is the President's colors Benny?? :what:
     
  3. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Dont you think that the standard of track is extremely poor?? :confused:
     
  4. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    What track?????????
     
  5. chachachoudhary

    chachachoudhary Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    I wish we could have better quality pictures. We seldom see so many tanks together in any of indian army images.
     
  6. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    T-90 received the presidential standards indeed a rare honor and a well deserved One too.... Way to go guys
     
  7. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    What the heck is a presidential standard????????
     
  8. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Its an old martial legacy and considered as recognition of the service rendered by the regiments to the nation.
     
  9. Blackenthesky

    Blackenthesky 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Nice tanks.....
     
  10. Paash

    Paash Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Will include new weapon system that will to enable the tank commander to fire a missile to neutralise mid-air an enemy missile or grenade

    Ajay Banerjee
    Tribune News Service
    New Delhi, May 11

    The Army’s main battle tank, Russian-origin T-90 christened as ‘Bhishma’, is being upgraded under a modernisation project that will improve the lethality of the 46-tonne war machine besides improving its rate of survival in a real battlefield environment.

    New Delhi has finally okayed a project to include a new weapon system on board the existing tank that will enable the tank commander to fire a missile to neutralise mid-air an enemy anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) or a rocket-propelled grenade. Despite the steel armour and specialised armour protection kits, a hit by an ATGM usually leaves a tank paralysed and at times totally damaged.

    In the past one year, there has been speculation in the defence circles that India was re-looking at its earlier proposal to have an “active protection†suite for its frontline T-90 series of tanks. The Army has now made it official and sent out a request to global manufacturers inviting them to display the system.

    A similar effort was made in 2008-09 and six global companies had participated in it.

    The “active protection†is a proactive countermeasure to tackle incoming ATGMs and rocket-propelled grenades. In modern day battlefields, the biggest threat are anti-tank missiles that can be shoulder fired ATGM’s, also those fired from infantry carried rocket launchers and from helicopters.

    Militarily advanced countries like the US and Russia have such methods that give a definitive edge in battle, said a senior functionary.

    Now-a-days, rocket-propelled grenades are no less in threat. It can penetrate several inches of a tank’s steel-plated armour. The alternative is to increases the armour thickness that will add up to the weight of the tank making it sluggish. The best option is to have an active protection that tackles incoming threats at distance away from the tank ensuring safety of the crew and also the tanks in the same squadron.

    Ideally, the Army is looking at a new weapons system that will not increase the height of the tank and impact its capabilities to wade through water. Height is an issue as the Army moves its fleet on trains across the country. The new system is likely to be top mounted on to the tank.

    Glorious

    The Army has so far deployed the T-90 along the country’s Western borders in Rajasthan and Punjab. Historically, the Army has been engaged in pitched tank battles on the Western front. Use of the T-55 and the PT-76 in Bangladesh in the 1971 war stands out as the sole exception. India will have 1,650 T-90 tanks in the next few years


    The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Nation
     
  11. Sujal

    Sujal 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    which are active systems available in the market?
     
  12. Paash

    Paash Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    In April 2008, the Indian Army sent request for proposals to Rafael, BAE Systems, Raytheon, Rosoboronexport, Saab, and Germany’s IBD Deisenroth Engineering for an active protection system for the T-90S Bhishma. The contract is expected to be worth US$270 million

    defence.professionals | defpro.com


    RFI Title: RFI for Active Protection and Counter Measures Systems for Tank T-90S/SK
    Branch Name: DGMF
    Publish Date: 04 May 2011
    Due Date: 31 May 2011

    http://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/226/DGMF-040511.pdf

    REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ON ACTIVE PROTECTION AND COUNTER
    MEASURE SYSTEM FOR TANK T-90S/SK
    Q 1. What are the characteristics of your active protection system?
    Q 2. Against what type of threats (ammunition) does your system provide
    protection?
    Q 3. What is your claimed percentage of survivability of the tank against each type
    of threat with your system?
    Q 4. What is the max velocity of incoming projectile that, your system can detect
    and defeat?
    Q 5. What is the protection arc (degree) provided by your system? Can it also cater
    for top attack threat?
    Q 6. Does your system have laser warning system? What are its characteristics
    and arc of coverage?
    Q 7. Does your system have resistance to jamming?
    Q 8 What is the temperature envelope of operation of your system?
    Q 9. What is the self life of your system, in storage as well as mounted on tank?
    Q 10. What is the safety distance for the dismounted soldier when the active
    protection system is in active mode?
    Q 11. What is the weight of your system?
    Q 12. What is the height increase in the tank after the system is fitted?
    Q 13. How much power is required to operate your system (normal and surge)?
    Q 14. Is your system safe to operate when the crew is with open hatches?
    Q 15. Does provision exist in your system to upgrade it for future developments,
    such as KE threat? How much of the system will change?
    Q 16. How many threats can be detected and neutralized simultaneously by your
    system?
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    Q 17. Does your system require major cutting of armr for installation/fitment? Does
    this cutting compromise NBC protection fording capability of the tank?
    Q 18. What type of sensors/radars are used in your system?
    Q 19. What are the safety measures incorporated in your system?
    Q 20. At what distance from the tank is the threat being neutralized?
    Q 21. Is your system modular in design?
    Q 22. How many launchers/tubes are fitted in the system?
    Q 23. What type of amn is being fired by your system?
    Q 24. Provide short brief of your company along with local contact details (if any)?
    Q 25. Has your system been fitted in service equipment anywhere in the world?
    Q 26. When will you be ready for NCNC trials with your systems in India post issue
    of RFI? Please give time in terms of months.
     
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  13. Steel

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    India’s purchase in 2001 of Russia’s T-90S main battle tank (MBT) was touted as a world-class upgrade of our battlefield capabilities at a rock-bottom price. For Rs 3,625 crore, India would get 310 new tanks; a full transfer of technology (ToT) from Russia; and a licence to build 1000 tanks at the Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF) in Avadi, Chennai.

    A decade later, HVF has built just 150 T-90S tanks, hamstrung by Moscow’s obstruction in transferring technology and the Russia-built assemblies needed even for the India-built tanks. With India’s production line stymied, the MoD bought 347 more ready-built T-90S tanks in 2007, handing Russia another Rs 4,900 crore. Even today, India’s T-90S fleet remains seriously constrained; with war clouds looming after the 26/11 Mumbai terror strike, the army told the government that the strike formations were critically short of equipment.

    From multiple interviews with officials who handled this contract, and from a visit to HVF Avadi, Business Standard has pieced together the full saga of the T-90S. It is an account of Russian duplicity in the face of Indian submissiveness. Moscow’s readiness to disregard signed contracts was recently highlighted through its additional demands for money for the Gorshkov aircraft carrier. But the T-90S arm-twisting came before that; and constitutes a blow to the heart of Indian defence.

    The Embassy of Russia in New Delhi has ignored an email asking for their comments on this issue.

    Here is what happened. After the T-90S contract was signed on 15th Jan 2001, the 310 made-in-Russia tanks began to flow in quickly from Uralvagonzavod, the Russian facility that builds them. But the transfer of technology (ToT) and the supply of assemblies for building the 1000 tanks in India quickly hit a Russian stonewall.

    First it took one and a half years to transfer to India the ToT documents required for building the T-90S in India. The tonnes of documents that finally arrived were found to be in Russian; translating them into English took another one and a half years.

    Then HVF officials discovered that Russia had withheld key T-90S technologies without valid reason. This included technology for crucial components like the tank’s main gun and a key section of the turret armour. When New Delhi demanded those technologies, Moscow blandly responded that they were secret. To this day, Russia has not transferred full technology for building the T-90S in India.

    The MoD has not responded to emailed questions about this issue. But when Business Standard asked MSN Rao, General Manager of HVF Avadi, how the T-90S was being built without these technologies, he confirmed: “We developed the tank gun indigenously in Central Ordnance Depot, Kanpur, and the turret armour component in CVRDE (Combat Vehicles R&D Establishment), Avadi. This is still a sticking point between India and Russia.â€

    That this remains an irritant is evident even from the careful language of MoD press releases. On 5th Oct 11, Defence Minister AK Antony met his Russian counterpart, AE Serdyukov, in the apex Indo-Russian Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC). The Indian press release noted, “Shri Antony drew the attention of the Russian side to the vexing issue of delayed export clearances for vital repair equipment for already contracted weapons systems. This has been affecting supplies of defence equipment and spares.â€

    By end-2007, Russia’s blockade of contracted T-90S technologies and components had stalled indigenous production for almost 7 years. Under pressure from the army for more tanks, the MoD capitulated to Moscow rewarding Uralvagonzavod with an order for 347 more made-in-Russia T-90S tanks. Only after this additional contract was signed did Russia begin supplying components for building the T-90S in HVF.

    An Indian Army officer who voiced his frustration to his Russian counterparts recalls the taunting Russian response: “Starting T-72 production took you 10 years. How do you imagine that you will produce the T-90 in just 6-7 years?â€

    Meanwhile the army was struggling with a more immediate issue. In 2002, poised for war with Pakistan, the army found that the newly inducted T-90S fleet was not battle-worthy. The Thales-Optronika thermal imaging night sights supplied with the T-90S --- essential for firing tank weapons at night --- proved unable to function in the blistering desert summer. This remains a problem; in 2008 the MoD approached international vendors to air-condition the T-90S.

    “If we manage to reduce the temperature by ten degrees, the performance of the electronics will be improved,†says Sudhakar K, Joint General Manager, HVF.

    Veteran tank commanders ridicule the idea of air-conditioning a tank. “It would add weight, and consume more power from the tank’s limited supply. And what happens if the air-conditioning breaks down? Every tank system must function in the environment of the battlefield,†says Brigadier (Retired) Vijay Nair, a former armoured brigade commander.

    During that crisis with Pakistan, the army also discovered that the T-90S sights were not calibrated to Indian tank ammunition, which was falling well short of the targets that it was fired at. A panicked MoD appealed to the DRDO and other research institutions to re-orient the T-90S’s fire control computer to Indian ammunition. Meanwhile, shiploads of tank rounds were ordered from Russia at great cost.

    A simultaneous crisis developed around the T-90S’s Invar missile, earlier cited as a clinching reason for buying the tank. But the Invar missiles that came were unusable and they were quietly returned to Russia. On 2nd March 2006, Antony told Parliament, “The Invar missile on T-90 tank is not a failure. However, the completely knocked down kits received for assembly have been found to be defective.â€

    Russia’s status as India’s premier arms supplier is being eroded by the US, France, Israel and the UK; and by indigenous advances in areas like tank building that have long been Moscow’s stamping ground. The recent success of the indigenous Arjun tank; and any progress in developing the planned Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT), would ensure that the T-90S is the last tank that India buys from Russia.
    Broadsword: T-90 tank: Technology transfer, supply of assemblies hit Russian stonewall
     
  14. Steel

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    Now i know why china reverse engineer their products..Hope M.O.D have learnt a lesson and don't repeat mistakes further
     
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  15. Manmohan Yadav

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    we should gain independence in other fields of defense development as well
     
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