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T-90 Bhishma / T-72 Ajeya of Indian Army : News and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by SpArK, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod MODERATOR

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    A heavy MBT was never designed to fight in high altitude. That is not what is meant to do. You cannot ask M1Abrams to do the job of a stryker. You cannot get mike tysons performance in anjelina jolie's frame.


    That has never been the job of the army. The main battle space for arjun is in the western front, the same front where to combat the possible M1Abrams that PA could have operated that the Army wanted to counter. It can get there fine, and owing to a lower ground pressure that T90's it would actually not get bogged down anywhere.

    Did I not read somewhere that large % of the fleet has been grounded due to lack of spares?
     
  2. randomradio

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    Huh? Why? It can. As long as it can be carried to that location.

    Lower ground pressure is irrelevant if the tank cannot be transported to the battlefield. And ground pressure plays a part if the difference is huge, but it's barely anything. What makes you think the Arjun Mk2 has a lower ground pressure than the T-90? The thing weighs 68T now.

    I told ya, the problem with Arjun is not warfighting, it's logistics. It cannot be delivered to the battlefield. If it can be delivered to the battlefield, it cannot be transported across rivers. If it can be transported across rivers, it cannot be recovered if battle damaged. Each of these problems require money as a solution, which we don't have.

    Let's see:
    Spend a billion dollars, maybe two to develop an Arjun compatible C-17. Maybe another $5B for 10 more C-17s. Then spend another two billion and get new rail carriages, bridge layers and recovery vehicles. And then spend about $6B for 1000 Arjuns. That's a total expenditure of about $12-13B. Not counting the modifications to the support infrastructure and train manpower. Many more billions there.

    Or

    Spend $3B for 1000 T-90s. Use existing infrastructure that was developed for the T-72. Case closed.

    And after all this, the Arjun isn't really a special tank to justify such expenditure. Tanks have to be really special, like a new generation tank, if anybody is to justify such expenditure.

    Yes, earlier. Avadi did not make enough spares. But that's a starting problem.
     
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    You want a heavy MBT to perform the role of a light tank?


    You do realize that your entire tank fleet travels by rail and not by air right?

    So here we are talking about rail cars and not c17's. C17 carries one M1 Abrams, just like IL76 could carry one t72. Arjun extends like 6 cms additional over the allowable 3 cms on standard Indian Railcar. So no we do not need to spend about a 13B dollars on building c17 but about a few million on railcars.

    An yes the important part is for Arjun, Indian army cannot buy t55 based WZT-2's to tow them, it is indeed too heavy for the wzt-2 or the wzt 3 etc. So no more recovery vehicles from poland.

    I still dont understand this quite well, we build the t72's, t90's, BMP1, and BMP2, but we could not use the T72 hull to build our own ARV? but that is a discussion for another day.
     
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  4. randomradio

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    Light tank? No. We want to operate the T-72 and T-90 in those regions.

    We've already moved 3 regiments of T-72s to Leh.

    We have the need to use tanks in mountains as well, and not just light tanks.

    http://www.business-standard.com/ar...es-to-defend-china-border-112091702018_1.html
     

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