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Taliban leader Fazlullah vows new war in Pakistan

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  1. BlueOval

    BlueOval Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Afghanistan-based Taliban leader Maulvi Fazlullah, a leading figure in the insurgency, has vowed to return to Pakistan to wage war as the country came under renewed American pressure to tackle militancy.

    "We sacrificed our lives, left our homes and villages for the sake of Sharia (Islamic Law) and will do whatever we can to get Sharia implemented in the Malakand region and rest of Pakistan," Sirajuddin Ahmad, a close adviser, told Reuters, describing Fazlullah's position.

    He was answering written questions submitted by Reuters.

    The Taliban threat was issued as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and top U.S. military and intelligence leaders delivered a tough warning to Pakistan to crack down hard on militant groups, an issue heavily straining ties between the uneasy allies.

    Fazlullah was the Pakistani Taliban leader in Swat Valley, about 100 miles (160 km) northwest of Islamabad, before a 2009 army offensive forced him to flee.

    Also known as FM Mullah for his fiery radio broadcasts, he regrouped in Afghanistan and established strongholds, and poses a threat to Pakistan once again, said army spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas.

    The Pakistani Taliban, which is separate from but aligned to the Afghan Taliban fighting foreign forces in Afghanistan, has declared war on the Pakistani state for providing support to the U.S.-led war on militants in the region.

    Pakistan recently complained that Afghan and U.S.-led forces had failed to hunt down Fazlullah who was responsible for a spate of cross-border raids.

    On the other hand, Afghanistan and the United States have accused elements in the Pakistan government of supporting members of the Afghan Taliban.

    The attacks in which militants loyal to Fazlullah took part killed about 100 members of Pakistan's security forces, angering the army which faces threats from multiple militant groups.

    Fazlullah, a leading figure in the Pakistani Taliban insurgency, is based in Kunar and Nuristan provinces in Afghanistan, said Abbas.

    Other leaders of the Pakistani Taliban, an umbrella of about 12 groups, and the government have suggested they are open to peace talks to end a conflict that has killed thousands of people.

    But Fazlullah seemed sceptical about the government's intentions.

    "Pakistani rulers always approach us through some people whenever their relations with the United States become unfriendly and make appeals to us to help them in restoration of peace in the country," said his adviser.

    "But they forget their promises and become more harsh and cruel when their relations are restored with the United States. We know these tricks of the Pakistani rulers and do not trust in their promises."
    Taliban leader Fazlullah vows new war in Pakistan | Reuters
     
  2. TereBinLaden

    TereBinLaden Captain STAR MEMBER

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    Did he Vows or Vow Vow (woof woof)
     
  3. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Where's my dear friend AA?
    I should invite him to read this thread...

    OT: IF they choose to step out of NW, PA will f*ck them!
    If they choose to hide in NW for too long, PA may conduct NW op.
     
  4. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and top U.S. military and intelligence leaders delivered a tough warning to Pakistan on Thursday to cut suspected ties with militant groups which have upset relations between the uneasy allies.

    Clinton led a heavyweight U.S. team at talks in Islamabad to press Pakistani counterparts on U.S. accusations that Pakistan assists militants who launch attacks on both sides of the Afghan-Pakistan border and increasingly threaten U.S. interests.

    "The meeting lasted for four hours. It was extremely frank, the discussion was very detailed," a senior U.S. official said after the meeting, adding that more discussions were planned for Friday.

    The visit by Clinton, CIA director David Petraeus and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, was a sign that Washington is determined to get its message across amid rising tensions among three key players in the Afghanistan war.

    The meeting included Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani, the powerful army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, and Lieutenant-General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, who heads the Inter-services Intelligence (ISI) agency which U.S. officials have singled out for its alleged support of militant groups.

    Earlier on Thursday during a visit to Kabul, Clinton said it was time to send a "clear, unequivocal message" to Pakistan that it must step up efforts to broker an end to the decade-long war in Afghanistan and crack down on safe havens used by militants.

    "They must be part of the solution and that means ridding their own country of terrorists who kill their own people and cross the border to kill in Afghanistan," Clinton said.

    "We're going to be fighting, we're going to be talking and we're going to be building. And they can either be helping or hindering, but we are not going to stop our efforts."

    Pakistani analysts agreed that the U.S. officials were sending a tough message to Pakistan.

    "I think they've decided that they want to have a final word about the Pakistan-U.S. relationship, especially with reference to Afghanistan," said Tanvir Ahmed Khan, Pakistani foreign secretary from 1989-90.

    The presence of Petraeus at the talks was especially significant, said political analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi.

    "America will produce evidence before the army chief, that you are involved (in supporting the violence in Afghanistan). With David Petraeus coming as well, they have definitely brought vidence," he said.

    "He will provide evidence that you are involved, ISI is involved," he added. "But nothing will come out in public."


    U.S. and Afghan officials have drawn links between elements within Pakistan and September's attack on the U.S. embassy in Kabul and the assassination of Afghanistan's peace envoy.

    Pakistan has denied the accusations, saying Washington is downplaying the heavy burden that Islamabad bears in the fight against militancy, and warned that continued "negative messaging" from Washington was undercutting public support for the conflict.

    The tensions have complicated the outlook as the Obama administration pushes ahead with plans to draw down troops and hand security control to Afghan forces by the end of 2014.


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    U.S. officials had earlier said Clinton would seek to strike a constructive tone in discussions with Pakistani leaders, but on Thursday she struck a tough tone.

    "It is a time for clarity. It is a time for people to declare themselves as to how we are going to work together," she said at a news conference with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

    She said the United States still believed it would be possible to reach a political solution in Afghanistan and repeated that the Taliban should agree to enter the political process or face "continued assault" from the U.S.-led alliance.

    Karzai said the focus of the Afghan peace effort would now be Pakistan, which he said effectively controlled the militants and provided them with safe havens they use for their attacks.

    "Unless we pay attention to sanctuaries, and unless we go to the proper authority that leads and controls all that, we will not be able to have either a successful peace process or a successful campaign against terrorism," he said.

    Clinton, too, focused on militant safe havens in Pakistan, saying it was time "to turn with real intensity to the safe havens within Pakistan," including those allegedly used by the Haqqani network, one of the most feared of such groups.

    "Now it is a question how much cooperation Pakistan will provide going after those safe havens," she said.

    Clinton's visit to Pakistan comes a day after army chief Kayani told parliament's defense committee the United States should focus on stabilizing Afghanistan instead of pushing Pakistan to attack the Haqqanis in the border region.

    (Additional reporting by Mirwais Harooni in Kabul, and Qasim Nauman and Zeeshan Haider in Islamabad and Missy Ryan in Washington; Editing by Chris Allbritton and Jon Boyle)



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  5. Manmohan Yadav

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    I think is was a Woof Woof.. :haha:
     
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    so is it a fresh start of home war in pakistan
     
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    Well lets see.... what's this here?
    Let me get this straight AA?
    you think that since your leaders say it is so, it must be the truth???

    what kind of BS logic..... we've debated this, in the end all you've done is ignore what i say and continue brain farting....

    you leaders have shown how trust worthy they are.... Iraq and WMD case, Taliban and the no negotiation policy etc!!!!
     
  8. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    War has been on going since 2004.... this event of these words wont change the situation at all
     
  9. TereBinLaden

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    ^^ it looks more like a civil war.
     
  10. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    ??? a few rag tag Taliban of the further most NW parts coupled with some foreign fighters against the rest of Pakistan?

    You class this a civil war? remember mate.... there's a difference between a war at home and a civil war... Pakistan stands untied against these guys.
     
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    As you say, I was under the impression of civil disturbance in multiple location, a few news were from Karachi but I am not a Pakistan Expert.
     
  12. vstol jockey

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    Dear Bro, who started and coined the term of good taliban and bad taliban? Not so good and not so bad taliban? You have given a few new words to oxford dictionary. What is good for you may be bad for me and what is good for me may be bad for you. You call J&K jihadis, freedom fighters, we call BLA freedom fighters. I want to narrate a joke to you here about our two nations.

    A sardarji and a Pakistani became co travellers to Uk after reaching Dubai by Emirates. Once the ac reached cruising alt, the sardarji removed his shoes and started enjoying his kukkad and daaru. The pakistani was having his coke. After sometime the pakistani finished his coke and requested the sardarji to fetch him a coke. sardarji went and after some delay came back with a refill of his own drink and a coke for the pakistani. when the sardar was away, the pakistani spitted in his shoe. after sometime the pakistani again requested for another coke, again the sardarji went and brought him a coke. once again the pakistani spitted in his other shoe. The Sardarji was aghast and asked this pakistani, aye dus, jootey vich thook aur coke vich mooth kab tak chaluga.(How long will we continue to spit in the shoes and urinate in the coke). The sardarji was serving the pakistani a coke in which he had urinated while the pakistani was happy in spitting in his shoes.

    Bro, Whatever happens to Pakistan, India will suffer the consequences. Padosi ki deewar girti hai to bhainsh hamaari marti hai.

    I hope you understand what I am trying to convey. You had an unholy alliance with US till date. It was more for benefits than commitments. Can such a marriage last? Do you know the diff between a girlfriend and a wife? Wife is with you thru thick and thin, a girl friend is there with you as long as you have a pocket full of money. US does not need you anymore. Pls read my comments on some other thread on this site wherein I had clearly stated that the day the northern route is open for US forces in AFGAN, that day will be doomsday for Pak. They used you and played with you. Look at us Indians, You attacked us fourtimes and we are still asking US not to attack Pakistan. The Latest is that we have denied them bases to attack Pakistan. You know that I do not post bullshit here. You will know it after 15 days. But that is the truth. We may allow and will allow refuelling facility to their ships but thats all.
     
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  13. TereBinLaden

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    Please do something for this Kashmiri Foreign Fighters too and you have better days ahead.
     
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