Talwar Class Frigate

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    Talwar Class Frigates Weapons System

    ZR-90 Shtil/Uragan (SA-N-7) SAM single-rail MS-196 launcher​
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    same system aboard Russian ships
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    Eight Cell KBSM 3S-14NE Vertical Launcher​
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    100mm Main Gun​
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    Kashtan CIWS(AK-630 in the later batch)​
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    533-mm DTA-53 Torpedo Tube​
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    [MENTION=8572]Gessler[/MENTION]
    I made a mistake
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    The above is not the klub missile VLS aboard Talwar class.
    The below pics show the BrahMos/Klub VLS aboard INS Teg and INS Talwar respectively
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    nice pics thanx bro
     
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    the man in black looks angry!!!!!!:devilwork:
     
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    India keen to build frigates jointly with Russia

    The Indian government has expressed interest in jointly building frigates with Russia, under Project 11356, in India, Oleg Shumakov, CEO of the Baltic Shipyard ‘Yantar’ said in an interview to RIA Novosti .

    Russia has supplied six frigates to India between 2003 and 2013, under Project 11356, all of which were built by the ‘Baltic Plant’ in St. Petersburg and the Kaliningrad factory ‘Yantar’. The first three ships carry the Russian cruise missile system “Club-N” on board, while the other three frigates are armed with cruise missile “Brahmos,” jointly produced by Russia and India.


    “Having completed a series of three Indian orders, we were hoping that India would extend their cooperation with us, especially since the Indian Defence Ministry mentioned that their Navy needed another three or four ships of this class. Now they are planning to produce such ships at home, of course, with our participation and under our patronage,” Shumakov said.

    Shumakov said the frigates to be built in India would be armed with more sophisticated weapons than the ones carried by the existing ships of the project.

    “We tend to think that it will be the ship of the same class, but with somewhat different arms, as the technical capabilities of weapons are constantly evolving, so I think there will be something new to mount on this ship. At the same time, in terms of seaworthiness, the ship will be absolutely the same. We are currently consulting with our Indian counterparts on these issues,” the General Director of ‘Yantar’ said.

    Patrol ships under project 11356 are designed for combat operations against surface ships and submarines, for meeting the air attacks, both autonomously and as part of formation. They carry universal missile and artillery weapons and modern radar facilities for anti-submarine and air defence.

    Ships of this series have a displacement of about 4 thousand tons, they are 125 meters in length, with speeds of up to 30 knots and can carry a crew of 180 people.
     
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    Biggest warship project: Russia selects Anil Ambani's Pipavav to make frigates for Indian Navy

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    NEW DELHI: The Russian government has chosen Anil Ambani's Pipavav shipyard for a 'Make in India' naval frigate order that is likely to exceed $3 billion, making it the private sector's biggest-ever warship-building project.

    With public sector shipyards tied up in executing current orders and the Indian Navy battling to increase fleet strength, the government has been in advanced talks for the past several months with Russia for three to four upgraded Talwar class frigates, classified as Project 11356 vessels. Moscow, which has been keen to build the frigates at a Russian shipyard, was firmly told last year that the order would only be placed through the Make in India route but it would have the flexibility to choose an Indian partner for the project.

    After an evaluation of several Indian shipyards, including that of Larsen & Toubro, Russia has formally informed the defence ministry that Pipavav has been chosen as its Indian partner for the project. Officials said a formal letter was sent by Federal Service for Military Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) director Alexander Fomin last week confirming the partnership. The record deal is the first one landed by Pipavav after it was taken over by Anil Ambani's Reliance Group recently. The contract for the new frigates is likely to be in the form of a government-to government order with Russia and could be signed this financial year with delivery expected over the next six to eight years. Vice-chief of naval staff, Vice-Admiral P Murugesan, has confirmed that exploratory talks have been on and, when decided, the frigate order will be under the Make in India initiative.

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    The project brings together two of the government's key themes. Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the Make in India initiative on August 15 last year as part of a manufacturing push to create jobs, raise incomes and help boost the economy. The government is also keen on greater private sector participation in defence, having eased overseas investment rules in this regard.

    The new stealth frigates will be a vital addition to the navy's surface fleet that is fast being upgraded to meet security challenges in the region. India has already bought six Russian-built Talwar class frigates, the last of which was delivered in 2013.

    A team led by Russian deputy industry and trade minister Alexei Rakhmanov has been evaluating Indian shipyards for the project over the past few months. Among the yards visited were Mazgaon Dockyard Ltd, Cochin Shipyard Ltd and the L&T unit, with the final selection being based on the availability of infrastructure and capacity. Pipavav, which is currently executing a naval offshore patrol vessel order, has India's largest shipbuilding facility.

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    When contacted, a Reliance Group spokesperson said, "We are fully committed to the Make in India vision of our Prime Minister. Our mission is to build higher capabilities at the world-class facility that we have, to be able to serve the complete requirement of the Indian Navy."

    While Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) did not respond to a detailed questionnaire, one of its top executives told ET earlier this month that it was open to working with a private shipyard on the order. "We are ready to transfer technology to ensure the construction of these ships in India. The new ships that will be built will be different and more modern from the Talwar class that have been delivered," Alexi Dikiy, director for military technical cooperation at USC, had told ET.

    Biggest warship project: Russia selects Anil Ambani's Pipavav to make frigates for Indian Navy - The Economic Times
     
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    Why are we not going for Universal Vertical launch system ? For Barak,Brahmos,Nirbhay etc (Like Sylver,Mk 41)
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    Too many different foreign manufacturers. It will bring in other complications during development. In the American and Chinese case, the govt can maintain standardization. But we can't do that with Indian, Russian and Israeli systems right now. Maybe in the future we can bring in standardization, especially when we start making our own stuff.

    It's not really a big deal.
     
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    But these two missiles are not mere imports, its a JV. If we have forseen this we could have easy implemented this.

    It is a big deal. Say, Project 15B have 16 brahmos VLS and 32 barak 8 VLS. Today, we are stuck with it. If we have UVLS we would be using these cells mission specifically,like 32 Nirbhay +16 Barak 8 for land attack . Thats how you make your ships more flexible and multi role.SYLVER VLS can be used to operates american, europian and south african missiles.
    SRSAM missiles like CAMM,MICA VL, ESSM can be quad packed in a single cell. That means 8 cells can hold 31 SASAMs.

    Chinese :
    What is also confirmed by semi-official sources in China is that the VLS on Type 052D is built to GJB 5860-2006 standard (GJB = Guo-jia Jun-yong Biao-zhun, 国家军用标准, "National Military Standard"),[17] so that different types of missiles can be launched by a single launching system.[18] According to some of the publicized examples of GJB 5860-2006 requirement, there are 3 types of VLS that differs in length: 9 meter, 7 meter and 3.3 meter respectively (section 5.1.3), but the diameter is same for all, 850 mm maximum (section 6.1.2), with each launching tube filled with either dry air or nitrogen inside (section 6.1.4), and with higher internal pressure. (section 6.1.4). Similar to U.S. Navy's MK 41, a launching module includes 8 launching tubes (section 5.2.4), and each tube can house 1~4 missiles (section 5.2.4). Each launching model has a launching control unit (section 5.3.7), which can simultaneously launch up to 4 missiles of different kind (section 5.3.6). The launching control unit must have built-in test/diagnostic function (section 5.3.8). These publicized portions of GJB 5860-2006 are surprisingly similar to that of Mk 41 VLS,[19]which prompt some Chinese internet sources to claim that there are potential future export of such system so that it has to comply to Mk 41 VLS, the most widely used VLS in the world.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052D_destroyer

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    The Mk 41 is capable of firing the following missiles: RIM-66 Standard, RIM-67 Standard, RIM-161 Standard Missile 3, RIM-174 Standard ERAM, Tomahawk, RUM-139 VL-ASROC, RIM-7 Sea Sparrow, and RIM-162 ESSM.
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    Every capable navy designed one for them.
     
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    Standardization offers flexibility, but that's not really a problem for the IN destroyers and frigates, we already have enough firepower.

    What's special about IN ships is, we can modify the ships to carry more missiles. There is space for carrying the Nirbhay also, maybe even extra Baraks.

    And you can't compare NATO because they have built their alliance on standardization. Whereas the Russians and the Chinese don't rely on foreign missile, while we still do, even if they come in as JVs. Our import history doesn't allow us to build such high levels of standardization into the ships until we start making other countries also to build according to our standard, which is not possible.
     
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    And none of those foreign ships can't.
    I can say the same why it could have been done because its a JV.
    You have a weird way of beating around the bush, no point discussing.
     
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    I don't think you understood. If we develop a UVLS, then Russia and Israel will also have to standardize on this VLS simply because we want a UVLS. It means they will have to modify their VLS standards.

    So Barak VLS should then be compatible with Russian VLS, Brahmos VLS should be compatible with Israeli VLS and so on. And there's no way the Russians will allow sharing their VLS specs with the Israelis and vice versa. So any sort of adjustment is impossible.

    As long as we don't build our own missiles, we will never have a UVLS. The NATO has their own specification, the Russians have their own and the Chinese have their own. And what's common between all of them is they don't import their missiles.

    But there is a chance we can adapt the Nirbhay to be fired from the Brahmos VLS, that is if DRDO has considered that. Or we will build a separate VLS for Nirbhay also.

    Right now, we cannot coordinate between so many countries to have the same type of VLS. In the future we will have the Russian Brahmos II, Israeli Barak-8 NG and French Maitri, all on one boat. You tell me how we can coordinate and make all countries use the same VLS.

    VLS is built based on the design of the ships, so coordination is impossible when everybody designs their own ships based on different standards.
     

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