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Talwar Class Frigate

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by tariqkhan18, Aug 25, 2011.

  1. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Ship structure of Russian navy as on 01.10.2016

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    Project 11356 - 2 are commissioned and are in active service

    Under construction plan
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    Here you see the following
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    Makarov is on sea trial .. Chances of it coming to IN is limited.

    @Agent_47 @Gessler

    The confusion you folks got via that tweet was bcz Makarov is suppose to be on sea trial but as part of IGA 4 ships are mentioned.
    The fourth ship is named Butakov, 5th Istomin and 6th Kornilov. The plan is basically that
    • Butakov will be completed in Russia i.e built by the Kaliningrad-based Yantar Shipyard, namely No. 360 Admiral Butakov .
    • The hull of the fifth ship No. 361 Admiral Istomin and sixth frigate, No. 362 Admiral Kornilov will be delivered to us to be completed by Pipavav.
    In addition, Moscow and New Delhi signed an intergovernmental agreement for the sale of India's four frigates of Project 11356 Earlier, India six frigates of this type were delivered, and in 2011 six more frigates commissioned in the Kaliningrad shipyard "Yantar" for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Defense Ministry. Three frigates were built, but still have three, construction of which began, there were problems with the completion of the crisis in Ukraine - Ukrainian enterprise "Zorya-Mashproekt" refused to supply already paid for gas turbine propulsion systems for these ships. Eventually it was decided that for India, these settings will be set, with one ship will be completed in Russia, and the housing of other transported for completion in India (where it will be laid and the fourth frigate), the person said, close to the leadership of "Rosoboronexport". Such a scheme is responsible among other things the concept of Make in India aimed at enhancing the role of the Indian industry and is the official policy of the Government of Prime Minister Modi.

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    http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/
    https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2016/10/17/661178-rossiya-indiya-posotrudnichayut

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    Beyond this we might see some more being built in pipavav..
     
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    A welcome addition to enhance the naval arm which is the major component of our 'look East' (and act beast) policy! Looking forward to major upgradation of in-house construction. The Naval Design Bureau is doing an excellent job and with the Private players being given a greater role in overall defence industry and preparedness efforts, we can see innovation and hi end technology being available at competitive input costs.
     
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  3. seiko

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    The four frigates India has contracted from Russia last week during the summit meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Vladimir Putin will bring in superior stealth technology and augment force levels, officials say.

    The basic structures of two of these ships are already ready in Russia, they add.

    As per agreement two more ships are to be built in India with technology transfer.

    The Inter-Governmental Agreement was signed last week for four additional Krivak or follow-on Teg class stealth frigates expected to cost about $4 billion. The final deal is yet to be concluded and officials said price negotiations will begin soon.

    The Indian Navy designs stealth warships and senior officers had stated on several occasions that it is now a ‘builders Navy’ and vessels would not be imported. As to why India was buying the frigate now, sources said it was an old order which was held up due to engine issues with Ukraine.

    The deal got delayed due to tensions between Russia and Ukraine over Crimea. “It has now been resolved,” one official said.

    http://www.defencenews.in/article/$...ring-Hi-Tech-Stealth-Technology-to-India-8817
     
  4. seiko

    seiko VETERAN FULL MEMBER

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    IDN TAKE: New Frigates From Russia Will Combine Russian Engines And BrahMos Missiles


    Gas turbine engines for the new series of Project 11356 frigates designed for export to India will be manufactured by NPO Saturn. BRAHMOS anti-ship missiles will be supplied by BrahMos Aerospace.

    The ships, built by the Kaliningrad-based shipyard Yantar, will be powered by gas turbine engines made by NPO Saturn. Thus, Russia will supply India with fully completed frigates.

    In addition, the ships will be armed with the BrahMos anti-ship missiles jointly designed by Russian and Indian companies.
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    NPO Saturn M90FP Turbine

    "These missiles are already mounted on the three Project 11356 frigates and Talwar-class ships”, said Praveen Pathak, manager of BrahMos Aerospace. “The ships being built under the signed agreement will be equipped with these Indo-Russian missiles as well”, he added.

    The inter-government contract implying technical assistance to the Indian party in setting production of Project 11356 frigates was signed on October 15 at the BRICS summit held in Goa, India. As was agreed, two ships will be built in Russia at the Yantar shipyard, and other two – in India.

    Apart of three mentioned Project 11356 ships, Indian Navy operates six Talwar-class frigates designed by the Severnoye Design Bureau and built at the Baltiysky Zavod and Yantar shipyards. Construction expertise of Talwars was the basis for designing of Russian Project 11356 frigates.


    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/10/idn-take-new-frigates-from-russia-will.html
     
  5. Agent_47

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    These new ships will be using Ukrainian engine just like previous ships of the class. Russian M90FP will not be ready till 2020. Project 11356 is essentially Russian variant of first batch of Indian talwar class which was designed with the help Indian DND (heavy influence from Project 17) . There is no new 'stealth' tech russians can bring in because we designed those in the first place.

    I'm more concerned about the final cost. Anything more than $750 mil per piece is a waste of money.
     
  6. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    From the English website of Zorya Ukraine.

    "Zorya-Mashproekt welcomes the delegation from Republic of India

    On the 11th of November, 2016 the delegation of Republic of India led by Mr. Anant G. Geete, the Honorable Minister of Heavy Industries and Public Enterprises, visited Zorya-Mashproekt. The delegation was accompanied by the representatives of the Embassy of India headed by H. E. Mr. Manoj Kumar Bharti, the Ambassador of India to Ukraine.
    On the visit the guests have seen the main manufacturing facilities: gas turbine assembly workshop and reducing gear workshop.
    At the test rig a trial run of the marine engine has been carried out. The marine engine will be delivered to the Indian client until the year-end.
    India is the key customer and the biggest purchaser of marine propulsion plants. Zorya-Mashproekt participates in the Indian Navy’s program of renovation and upgrading of the fleet. The marine units are shipped for the naval vessels which are being constructed as well as for the vessels under repair.
    In 2016 Zorya-Mashproekt and Indian party have reached the tentative agreements on extension of co-operation and set out the promising."

    http://eng.zmturbines.com/?rubs=press&part=1479801414&prub=1245352916
     
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  7. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Let me under stand this Russia is buying ships from France, or at least trying to, but building ships for India, but using Ukrainian engines whom they invaded and annexed, any possible problems here?
     
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    We can do it and Ukraine is happy to do it. We are also sourcing their engines for FMBT with full TOT. What is your problem buddy?
     
  9. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    USA is a super power , yet its forces also uses weapons, systems , solutions , etc from smaller nations ?

    Is there a problem here ?

    If no, then there too, no problem.
     
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    Russia was building these ships for Russia, but is selling them to India exactly because it could not get Gas-Turbine engines from Ukraine, but India could buy engines from Ukraine and fit them into these frigates.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Kind of leaves Russian in a pickle, they can build ships but not the engines. Wonder if you cant build an engine for a ship, how can you build something like the PAFGA. You cant. April 29, 2017: Russia is discovering that reviving the quality and diversity of their Soviet era air force is becoming unachievable because the money, and the talent, is simply not there and is unlikely to be available in the foreseeable future . The failure is for the usual reasons; not enough money and inability to manufacture all the high-tech components (especially engines) needed. The money shortage is easy to understand but the talent shortage is somewhat unique to Russia. During the Soviet period Russia was very much a dictatorship with literally everyone and every aspect of their lives subject to the “needs of the state.” That meant Russia could order the most talented engineers, scientists and production specialists to work on weapons. These chosen ones received benefits that made life easier and that worked for a few generations until it didn’t. After the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991 Russia underwent a second “freeing of the serfs” (the first was in the 1860s). People were free to move around, leave the country and seek better jobs wherever they could. Russian defense industries have still not recovered from the shock of losing so many of their talent. After that there were far more attractive non-defense jobs for talented people.
     

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