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Ten Imaginations for a Dreamed India

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    This should not hard to believe for any Indians.

    Every people likes to joke about how incompetent their politicians are.

    But in India's case, even jokes rarely do justice; these people are genuinely idiots, laundry list of credentials notwithstanding.

    The ruling class rely on ignorance, conservatism, and lack of education in the population to soak up easy votes. None of them would be able to afford power without it.

    These are not people with any demonstrated extraordinary level of foresight or intelligence or even strong ideology to be in a position to lead a nation.

    They are experts at rhetoric that appeals to the lowest common denominator, and that's all that our current government and society is able to select for in politicians. Given the condition of our people, being sincere and competent is a liability in terms of being voted into office.

    We do not yet have a functional democracy in India; there is the groundwork for a democratic society, but right now we just have a vicious cycle.

    Still, many if not most Indians are reasonable enough to have at least come to realize they're being played for idiots, and hopefully that's the first step toward some sort of meaningful reforms.
     
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    as what i was discussing just right now, a Dreamed India would be designed to bring more participation of Women in jobs, specially in professional jobs, which is very low as below :tup:

    => Employment to population ratio - 15+ - male (%) in India (80%)

    => Employment to population ratio - 15+ - female (%) in India (30% :tsk:)


    here, do we need more reservations for Women in jobs/exams? :facepalm:

    why do we find this type difference between these above two data's for India? :coffee:
     
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    India Poised to be a Global Leader in the Development of Solar Power - Says New World Bank Report
    December 12, 2013

    Inadequate finance, lack of shared infrastructure and constraints to supply chain key barriers to scaling up

    New Delhi, 12 December, 2013 – Launched in 2010, the Jawaharlal Nehru National Solar Mission Phase 1 (JNNSM) is well-poised to make India a global leader in the development of solar power. In a span of three years, India has taken a significant step forward in implementing its green growth agenda by increasing its installed capacity of solar power from around 30 MW to more than 2,000 MW, says a new World Bank report. :cheers:

    What is significant is that JNNSM has been instrumental in bringing down the cost of solar power to a level that is competitive across the world, says the report. It has reduced the costs of solar energy to $0.15 per kWh, making India amongst the lowest cost destinations for grid-connected solar Photovoltaic (PV) in the world.

    The report, Paving the Way for a Transformational Future: Lessons from JNNSM Phase 1 (pdf), says solar power can reduce India’s dependence on imports of diesel and coal for power generation, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and contribute to energy security. Growth in this sector will help India increase its share of clean energy and help meet its target of reducing emissions per unit of its GDP by 20-25% by 2020 over 2005 levels.

    The report identifies two unique features of the solar program which has helped reduce tariffs – bundling of solar power with unallocated thermal generation and adoption of reverse auctioning. Such bundling of solar power with cheaper conventional power helped reduce solar power tariffs for distribution utilities. The reverse bidding mechanism enabled qualified bidders to benefit from declining global prices for solar components, thereby reducing the purchase price of both solar PV and Concentrating Solar Power (CSP) for the utilities. :tup:

    “In a short span of three years, India has made impressive strides in developing its abundant solar power potential. With more than 300 million people without access to energy and industry citing energy shortage as key growth barrier in India, solar power has the potential to help the country address the shortage of power for economic growth,” said Onno Ruhl, World Bank country director in India. “However, while India is clearly emerging as a global leader in the area of solar power, to achieve its target of adding 20,000 MW of solar capacity by 2022, it needs to address the key barriers and constraints that could come in the way of scaling up the solar program,” Ruhl added.

    The report highlights several challenges that could act as a barrier to India achieving its solar targets by 2022. These include lack of access to low cost financing; inadequate solar infrastructure; lack of raw materials for several solar PV manufacturers; and an underdeveloped supply chain leading to high inventory costs.

    “Building on the success of Phase 1, the program now needs to focus on promoting financing of solar projects by commercial banks, developing shared infrastructure facilities such as solar parks and identifying comparative advantage of Indian manufacturing across the supply chain”, said Ashish Khanna, lead energy specialist and one of the authors of the report.

    Key challenges

    Under Phase I of the program, financing for solar projects mainly came from export credit agencies, multilateral financial institutions, and some nonbanking financial institutions and not from scheduled commercial banks. However, with limited availability of unallocated thermal generation, India may no longer have the option of bundling with cheap power. In such a scenario, unit cost of solar power will rise significantly. Given that most infrastructure lending in India has been led by commercial banks, India will need the active participation of commercial banks to scale up to the levels envisaged. The government needs to design risk reducing financing instruments such as subordinated public finance in order to attract long-term commercial lending to ensure long-term viability, the report says.

    The report recommends publicly developed infrastructure such as solar parks to help increase efficiency and lower costs. A Solar park in Charanka (Patan district) in Gujarat is today the largest solar park in Asia. Such shared infrastructure facilities helps in developing critical infrastructure, including facilities for power transmission, roads and water, thereby ensuring the rapid development of solar projects as well as local employment generation, the report adds. In addition, India’s plans to develop ultra-mega solar projects will help showcase the potential for large scale grid connected solar projects to the entire world, it says.

    Currently India’s solar PV manufacturing capacity is limited because India’s manufacturers lack the raw materials, do not have access to low-cost financing, and face underdeveloped supply chains. In solar thermal, where local manufacturing is more complex, India has not been able to manufacture some critical components for these projects. According to the report, either technology suppliers are limited and their products patented or the lack of natural resources poses an impediment. India should develop its manufacturing capabilities in specific parts of the value chain where it enjoys a comparative advantage and can emerge as a globally competitive producer, the report suggests. :coffee:

    Facilitating public funding, creating an enabling environment for manufacturing and focusing on cluster-based project development will go a long way in achieving the outcomes of JNNSM during the subsequent phases, the authors conclude.

    India Poised to be a Global Leader in the Development of Solar Power, Says New World Bank Report
     
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    here, considering hefty investment in Energy sector, we hope India might have got the 3rd place by 2013, in the table as below :coffee:


    => and something which matters the most in today's world, we hope India to reach 3rd spot in the table as below too, hopefully by 2022, considering hefty investment in Solar Energy, Wind Energy including in Biomass :india:

     
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    and yes, a Dreamed India must be inspired from its Father of Nation, and my post as below may have a place here too. i think :tup:


    => Greatest indian of 20th century
    http://*********************/forum/defence-strategic-issues/10299-greatest-indian-20th-century.html

    i find Mr Gandhi would get the first spot without any controversy, even if Netaji SC Bose and Sardar Patel always attracted the young age people.....

    it was really interesting while reading history of Mr Gandhi, a man who was among the highly qualified in his time of 19th century itself, a professional Lawyer having foreign visits for the purpose that time too, who is mainly known for his contribution in South Africa. an Iron man walking on the road from top to bottom of India to unite people, sitting in the 3rd class of trains for the purpose to be among the common people bla bla..... once there was a joke that he couldn't become PM or president of free India and it was really a joke, did he want too? :rofl:

    [​IMG]

    there is a way to fight with the most powerful military of the world without any arm on hands, and he did that, even if he himself started running Charkha etc too, to boycott foreign products under his efforts to protect the home industries. once i discussed, he was an Upper Caste person in Hindu Religion and this is how people sit on the chair when their President of Indian National Congress sewing cloths for himself, as below........ we find Mr Gandhi always winning this competition among all the Indians born during 20th century, by a hefty margin in fact :india:

    [​IMG]

    and the best part of his life was the way India's Father of Nation died, after being shot down by a Hindu Extremist for favoring Pakistan :cheers:

     
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    Consequences of High Population

    there can't be another example of Income Inequality, like of India....... along with the poverty rate as above, first we have number of Billionaire where there is none from Pakistan or Bangladesh.

    => Welcome to Forbes Billionaire List

    then Per Capita Income as whole as below too:


    Estimated number of Middle and 'Lower' Middle Class
    (for china, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh)

    Per Capita Income of the people above $2.0 per day income in these four countries

    here, if we consider people below this level having $1.5 per day average income as whole, hence around $500 a year this way, around, then we have an 'estimate only' calculation as below :tup:

    Pakistan: 60/40 = 1.5 * (3100-500) = 3900 + 3100 = $7,000 (40% of 170million = 68million around)

    Bangladesh: 76.5/23.5 = 3.255 * (2000-500) + 2000 = $6,882 (23% of 160million = 40million)

    India: 69/31 * (3900-500) + 3900 = $11,468 (31% of 1.3 billion = 400million)

    China: 30/70 * (9,100 - 500) + 9100 = $12,785 (70% of 1.4 billion = 1.0 billion)

    but in the above calculation we may clearly see that per capita income of people above $2 per day income of India and China is almost twice to that of Pakistan and Bangladesh. hence we would say that 80% of this category of Pakistan and Bangladesh would be among the Lower Middle Class, while there might be 50% of India and China would fall among the Lower Middle Class, rest are Middle Class, an estimate only :tup:).

    hence this above calculation says India is a country of 200million Middle Class and 200million Lower Middle Class. rest of 900million are poor by the criterion of UN. while only 400million fall among the poor as per the measurement of Indian government, which still consider $1.25 per day to categorize poor :coffee:

    and yes, it put around 500million people of China among the Middle Class category, around (20% of 68million =) 14million of Pakistan and around (20% of 40million =) 8.0million of Bangladesh among the Middle Class of this standard.) :tup:


    => and yes this estimate would get the higher size for developing countries while considering the method which was in application till 2007, which used to consider GDP on PPP of India type developing countries at least 50% higher, considering 'estimated' undocumented part of GDP too. the method which was considered by the World Bank and IMF both till 2007. as below :coffee:

     
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    => and as this issue is directly related to population control, i thnk the post as below may also have a place here http://*********************/images/smilies/thumb.gif

    Few Key Points I always mention on this Topic as below:

    these are my own ideas so it does require criticism by other members to make the topic interesting :tup:

    1st; if the poor of India ask the Western nations to share the burden of subsidies then they will simply kick these shiits of India, isn't it? and if its only Indian Middle Class who is generating money and running government and also paying heavy price for the welfare/subsidies for poor, then they do have a right to ask the Indian Government, "to what extent they will have to bear this burden of tax just to feed poor, and whether they will remain capable enough in future also to bear this burden on long run if the government doesn't control the population?????" :facepalm:

    like the news as below, around 50% indian population is based in agriculture only, around 600mil, while even 200mil population may produce the same agriculture output? and the same in cities of India, around 50% people just try to earn a decent salary which they can't, simply because too many mouths and limited resources. and Indian Middle Class is just paying high price to feed these around 600mil 'excess' population, but still there is no effort to have a control on this growing population????

    2nd; here for example of Pakistan and Bangladesh, right now overly populated Pakistan is full of target killings, simply because too many mouth and no resources to feed them. its also similar to 'genocide' itself?????? and Bangladeshis just want to run from Bangladesh, mainly to India. its the worse to see people dying without dignity than controlling population by force........

    3rd; many economists of India advocate "food security"/ "free medicines"/ "right to get a job" etc in India which is not possible until the Indian government may control its population. they simply can't feed 1.2bil population from the limited natural resources they have . USA is 3 times bigger in area than India but population of India is 4 times to USA? and on the top of that, Indian government wants to give welfare/ heavy subsidies to its people? if India face a sudden fall like ASEAN in late 90s and South America like in 80s, all these they will have to withdraw after that so better they keep habit to live in less and get rid off the unnecessary subsidies/welfares . for example, we always find Pakistan increasing petrol and diesel prices as per market prices as they can't afford to give subsidies while the people of Pakistan are poorer than India, but Indian government always hesitate to do so? but the day India will reach level of Pakistan, just one good economic fall is required, and India will learn all by themselves. :wave:

    4th; here we have report from world bank that around 60% people of India are living with income less than $2.0 per day, as below

    here, how is it wise to have high population if you can't give them good life? how is it advisable to have more population this way??? :facepalm:

    => Poverty headcount ratio at $2 a day (PPP) (% of population) | Data | Table

    5th; Population of India was hardly around 341 million at the time of freedom, in 1947, and we can't have more than 700 million people, and we need a national consensus on it. :india:

    and as Overpopulation of India is directly related to consumption of natural resources of the world, high pollution and hence Climate Change due to high consumption of energy. reduced water level has also been caused in India due to the same high population and hence high demand reasons, hence India is directly answerable to the rest of the world about the measures it is adopting to reduce its population to 700 million, say by 2050
    :truestory:

    we can't let India become one of the reason for the destruction of this world, as the Earth belongs to every person of the world, regardless any nationality :nono:

    6th; and here, first there is no control on the population, as much as India can have, and on the top of that, they want to feed them for nothing too :rofl:

    => At Rs 1,25,000 cr, Food Security Bill largest in world: Implementation a challenge, says Morgan Stanley - Economic Times
     
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    Consequences of High Population

    => http://indiandefence.com/threads/consequences-of-high-population.18272/page-5#post-239059

     
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    there are always many aspects of any type of prediction, and i believe my above prediction has 50% chances to come true. the prediction that 90% trade of India would take place in Asia only from 2020+, considers an Industrialized India by 2020+ with producing many of the manufactured products of its need, as per the Official target to bring the share of manufacturing production to 25% of Indian GDP by 2025. along with importing those high tech products from China, Japan, Singapore which India won't be able to produce by then too..... along with already full dependence on the Asia Pacific region for oil/gas/ metal imports........

    and i think my post as below also be put here.....


    => you always know a that a firm based in an emerging market would always grow, you will have better career progress in the firms based in emerging markets like BRIC/E7 etc. while the firms based in developed nations have almost saturated market, not enough space to grow, only cost reduction is the efforts they are struggling with, while facing competition from low cost imported products/ mainly from China. also, since recession 2009, most of the western firms are meant to provide employment only, less tax they are generating now. many of them could hardly survive through bail-out packages, and there is no indication that they won't need the same in future too. there was a time of early last decade when we used to say that chinese products are cheap, by price and quality both. while now we have only chinese products in western markets like US/Australia, whether cheap or the expansive once. also number of patents from China is increasing rapidly. have a look on even high tech business by china as below. im only happy to see India exporting more high tech products that Brazil http://*********************/images/smilies/ranger.gif

    High-technology exports (current US$) | Data | Table


    its also true that chinese high tech business has a share of imported parts from developed nations. and if High Tech export by china would come around $600billion by 2013, it would have around $150 billion imported components also, true. but just compare the same it with hardly $126billion of Japan, while china will only go up, while the OECD economies are only worried for cost reduction, as "Price Based Competitive Advantage" was the main reason to lose business to China......

    while now we expect new and improved products coming from china...... have a look on this list as below too http://*********************/images/smilies/thumb.gif

    List of countries by patents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    We Need a Stronger and "Effective" Systems of India

    the System, which can't be handicapped by either Politicians or Bureacrats


    Few Key Points on this topic may be summarized as below: :tup:


    1st; Ministers and Bureaucrats/ Diplomats are only the "FACES" of the Society and their departments

    They are only the 'paid' servants for the purpose of their job

    my above post has a simple meaning that, "President-PM-Ministers, including bureaucrats/diplomats are nothing but the paid servants to serve the people who feed them by taxes. they are only the 'faces' of the society-departments, they belong to, and for the purpose to serve the people who have appointed them, the common civilians........"

    and the time any of the 'face' of their concerned departments doesn't do his/her work honestly, he/she would be straight kicked, punished for violating the concerning laws related to his/her job, no matter which party comes in power, and who is the PM-President-Minister-Secretary etc.

    India needs to give more and more strength to its systems, which would be more linked with each others to achieve the common goal, and these 'faces' are responsible to make sure that they represent the 'systems' which is running properly, only. the systems which are for the purpose to serve the common public of India, for what these 'FACES' receive salaries.


    2nd; Ministers-Bureaucrats ('FACES') may only represent the Systems/ the concerning departments

    They are responsible to make sure that the Systems are running Properly, 'ONLY'

    Minister-Bureaucrats having Arts Subjects in IAS exams-Politics can't interfere in any of the professional departments, related to engineering-economics-finance-strategic issues-laws-defence-trade-foreign relations etc :nono:

    the 'FACES' of a country, Ministers/Bureaucrats, who mainly have Arts Studies, are only the paid servants who do their jobs in return of the salaries they receive from the Tax Payers of a country, including India. and this also means that they will be brought on punishment if they will misuse government resources for their personal benefits :sniper:..... Mr N.Rao would be taken as an example for these new faces to confirm that even being Prime Minister is not enough to avoid punishment, if they fails to comply with the laws, if they fails to do their jobs honestly, for what these ministers/bureaucrats receive salaries from the tax money of Indian civilians

    whether its MMS or Modi, we need a system which may put any person on trial, no matter which position he/she holds. we have example of many democratic countries where no laws could defend the corrupt president/PMs when they failed to do their job with honesty. along with Mr PVN Rao, we have many examples like Mr Suharto of Indonesia, just a former Italian PM was sent to jail, Mr B.Clinton could hardly avoided imprisonment for having sex with his secretary during office time......

    having a high position doesn't mean that you now own that whole department/ organization to sell it for the personal benefits :no: :sniper:


    => Few People can't be the reasons for destruction of a country of 1.3billion people :nono:. the letter of Father of Nation of India, while talking to the second father of nation Netaji SC Bose, must be taken as an example to teach a lesson to these new leaders who always want to use the systems of India to serve their personal interests :sniper:

    My prestige does not count. It has an independent value of its own. When my motive is suspected or my policy or programme rejected by the country, the prestige must go. India will rise and fall by the quality of the sum total of her many millions. Individuals, however high they may be, are of no account except in so far as they represent the many millions. Therefore let us rule it out of consideration. :india:

    http://www.mkgandhi.org/Selected Letters/Selected Letters1/letter23.htm


    [​IMG]

    => India needs "Functioning/Effective Systems" to avoid attacks on the individuals


    I think the time has come when government agencies of India would start doing practice of my above post. while keeping the Systems on front and keep faces down, to handle the national interests with full strength as whole :tup:

    (which will at least avoid attacks on the individuals, while targeting the national interests....... and don't forget, defending the patriots is more important than keeping traitors safe to keep pleasing/ making others happy anyhow...... and practicing a 'Functioning Systems' as whole, of different departments for different national concerns, will obviously help the Patriots to make it work properly 'as whole', no matter how many 'holes' they have got already.)
    .:india:
     
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    Population control and India??... :rofl: :rofl:... Whom will the politicians make fool of then?? They will need India's poor to churn out votes and they know how to keep them like that.

    Population control is only possible in highly educated societies or through the measures taken up by the government. I see none of them happening.
     
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