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Terror attack on London Bridge leaves 6 dead; police shoot 3

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, Jun 4, 2017.

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  1. YarS

    YarS Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    They are assimilated by Brits (in this question).
     
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    It can still be a terrorist attack if it's against military or government targets depending on the circumstances BUT an attack against unarmed civilians can NEVER be a rebel act, it is ALWAYS terrorism.
     
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    At worst they may have provided advice, but no weapons have been sold to any groups in Syria or Ukraine. It would be impossible for such an undisclosed weapons sale to happen. Dual use vehicles are not even allowed. It is currently illegal under UK law.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/doing-business-in-russia-and-ukraine-sanctions-latest

    We did actually supply Russia until the Ukraine situation occurred (before sanctions):

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/05/russia-arms-trade_n_4901787.html
    https://www.yorkagainstthewar.org.uk/2014/09/14/arms-licences-remain-in-place-for-dual-use-goods/
     
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    Not something that can't be weaponised. Or used as ASW platforms.
     
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    You could weaponise a wheelchair and use it as an assault drone.
     
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    Can you recognize AT-105 "Saxon"?

    And yes, if EU, under UK and France pressure start to supply terrorists, it mean that UK supply terrorists. If NATO jets, including British, bomb goverment forces, fighting with terrorists, it mean that UK support terrorists.
    There was no any moment in the last 70 years of "honest trade" (without "sanctions") between Russia and West. So, "before sanctions" means "in the time of WW2".
     
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    So, Albanian mass murdering of unarmed Christians (including priests) in Serbia was terrorism, too? So, NATO are supporting terrorists in occupied Kosovo, aren't you?
     
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    Not weaponised.... and also old and useless.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...kraine-Britain-failing-drive-small-mound.html

    [​IMG]
     
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    Oh sure, obfuscation is one strong points for you folks.

    Who knows, tomorrow you'll sell them a C 17 Globemaster & then claim that it's not weaponised.
     
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    C17 is American and you're right, it's not weaponised.

    You won't find us providing something like fighter jets to Pakistan.... or Qatar (ahem!).

    Dual use is a grey area, but C17s or Sea Kings as unweaponised vehicles can just as easily be used for rescue and relief aid.
     
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    You had sold an armored vechicles to Junta forces to help them kill Russians. Only this matters.

    I know. It is your problem, and your business reputation. We have reputation, too. And we'll sell (or, may be, already sold) to Ireland "democratic opposition" new and usefull devices. Prepare to surprises, men...
     
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    You can transfer it & I do not think your Yankee masters, who already provide Pak with half a billion military aid would have any problem.

    Claiming that the purpose of a sea king in Pakistan Navy is simply to conduct SAR operations cracks me up.
     
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    How? By driving over them? You can do that with any vehicle. You may as well accuse the firm who sold the London terror attackers a van of supplying weapons.

    If we actually wanted to give them something useful we'd sell them 100 Challenger IIs, and watch them re-take Donbass inside 24 hours and laugh at idiots trying to stop them with RPGs and ATGMs. As it is we sold them an unarmed vehicle which is only intended for controlling street riots when equipped with a water cannon. It is not intended for heavy assault or taking on military forces.

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    Selling semtex to terrorist organisations who've blown up pubs in the past is something quite different. Only a war criminal would do that. Your current sanctions will seem like a slap on the wrist if it's found out that Russia is involved.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_pub_bombings

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_pub_bombings

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...e_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process

    Or, for that matter, selling SAM systems to incompetent idiots who shoot down passenger jets.

    It was Gaddafi who supplied the IRA in the past.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ve-more-than-a-tonne-of-Semtex-explosive.html
     
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