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The Flying White MMRCA Deal

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by BMD, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. Ezco

    Ezco Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Lol the fact the jammer is located in wing pod is sufficient to prove active cancellation is not possible on typhoon. I am sure a math expert like BMD will easily understand why? Com on BMD pleas explain ?
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Captor-E is available in 202 according to RUSI, with DASS MLU in 2021. Active cancellation is not new or special as proven already.

    How do you know the first Captor-E to see UK service won't be GaN. It may well be at this stage. The range figures claimed certainly suggest it.
     
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    Ezco Captain FULL MEMBER

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    There is a question for you in the post just above.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Not at all, I originally thought that active cancellation wasn't as effective as explained for that very reason - the jammers don't cover the whole surface - but seems I'm wrong, so that logic doesn't apply to the Typhoon either. You could equally argue that the Rafale can't do because it has none on the wings, where the majority of stores are carried LOL. Instead of jammers on the wing tips you have 2 AAMs, each with an RCS well in excess of 0.0001m^2, and even higher than 0.01m^2. So your argument defeats itself.

    And Captor-E will do active cancellation too, plus the radar won't be fixed vertical. RBE2-AA will not do active cancellation or electronic attack until 2023/4 according to a French journalist.
     
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    Ezco Captain FULL MEMBER

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    So in fact you don't understand what is active cancellation. Question was not so difficult but you failed it.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    But Typhoon doesn't have it. Rafale and F-35 do. In that same respect, the F-22 most likely doesn't have it either. It has the same EW package as the F-35, but no EW in the radar as of yet, possibly after 2017.

    Range doesn't give the full picture. And you yourself said Captor with GaN is meant only for UK. And that's not been funded yet. The only radar funded is the basic radar without EW.
     
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    The fact is Tejas will have AESA radar befor typhoon, perhaps you could then help the English to integrate their AESA
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Not at all, I originally thought that active cancellation wasn't as effective as explained for that very reason - the jammers don't cover the whole surface - but seems I'm wrong, so that logic doesn't apply to the Typhoon either. You could equally argue that the Rafale can't do because it has none on the wings, where the majority of stores are carried LOL. Instead of jammers on the wing tips you have 2 AAMs, each with an RCS well in excess of 0.0001m^2, and even higher than 0.01m^2. So your argument defeats itself. You can't claim an effective RCS of 0.0001m^2 yet have two missiles on the wing tips, where there are no jammers, and then argue that jammers on Typhoon won't work because they're on the wing tips not fuselage.
     
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    And I have explained why a long time ago as well. The radar beam covers the entire aircraft.

    On the contrary. The Rafale's sensor position is better suited for 360 deg AC. It completely covers the frontal hemisphere. There is a jammer at the rear as well. The sides are covered by a smaller number of antennas, but that side isn't necessary during most missions. That's why even the F-22 and F-35 have less focus on side RCS.

    The Rafale isn't an F-22, but it is better at its role than the F-35 is.

    The radar is unnecessary for AC on Rafale. But very necessary for the Typhoon. So until captor-E with EW is not installed, AC on a Typhoon is highly unlikely.
     
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    I help you it is not a question of surface coverage. There one reason that explains why an efficient active cancellation can not be done from wing pod. Come on BMD by saying that I almost give you the answer.
     
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    Yes Typhoon does have it, as the Typhoon pilot said. You don't know shit about the F-22 or F-35, but active cancellation is a basic DRFM technique and both those aircraft have DRFM, just like Typhoon. F-35 radar does have EW and everyone knows it.

    The work funded is both by Selex UK and QinetiQ. The product will be a combination of the two. The EA techniques been investigated by QinetiQ are well beyond anything the RBE2 has, or will have.
     
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    You're simply wrong and there is the answer and the logic I've presented already proves you wrong using your own argument. Fuselage to wing, is no different that wing to fuselage. So if wing jammers can't cover the fuselage, then your fuselage jammers can't cover the wings and stores (which cause most of the increase in RCS and may even block your jammers' LoS to threat given their fuselage location, just as your wings do for your MAWS LOL). Simple. Further responses only prove you're an idiot.
     
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    The idiot here is you who don't know you can not do active cancellation on a surface that is moving, like a wing pod. That is the reason why spectra emitters are located on the fuselage.
    What you talk about is a simple cross eye jamming pod that is old tech an obsolet. So perfect for typhoon. OMG how it is possible to be dumb like that. A math expert ! Ahahahaha ha
     
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    Well yes and it reflects off the whole aircraft and stores, so?


    Assuming 120deg coverage for each of the 3 emitters and receivers it cannot possibly provide 360deg coverage. And the wings and stores will block LoS to threat in many cases, just as with the MAWS, unlike with the equivalent Typhoon systems. It's actually a very flawed design.

    The radar is very necessary to generate the power and speed required against multiple peer threats.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The whole aircraft moves whilst in flight, it's not nearly as static as you think (especially the intakes) and the Rafale has stores on the wings, so again, your logic as to why the Typhoon can't falls flat.

    PS: Especially when one of the Spectra jammers is at the tip of the fucking tail fin. Way to kill your own argument dummy. :haha:

    Cross eye jamming is only on either Spain or Italy's Typhoons, the use TRDs instead to eliminate HOJ. They are there for when the range is such that AC has broken down. The Rafale has no such fall back plan.
     

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