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The Flying White MMRCA Deal

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by BMD, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Lol.

    The only design for AC that's better than what's on the Rafale is on the FGFA.

    Wing tip is bad for AC. You need AC systems on the fuselage. That's why the Su-35 and PAK FA have fuselage equipped internal jammers. Wing tip and pod mounted jammers serve entirely different purposes.

    And it doesn't matter how you spin it, you need some high quality sensor fusion, which the Typhoon lacks.

    You don't need high power for jamming. You need power in the extremely small fractions of a watt for active cancellation.
     
  2. Ezco

    Ezco Captain FULL MEMBER

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    You would have a bit of honor in your sick brain you would stop arguing on something you can not understand
     
  3. Ezco

    Ezco Captain FULL MEMBER

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    If on typhoon the fuselage is moving like the wing then I understand why there are some cricks that constraint to restrict flight hours even less than Russian jet.
     
  4. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    For a nation that buys nearly all of its military hardware, you do a lot of LOLing.

    You sure about that? Because the PAK-FA's L-Band radars are on its wings. I'm getting some very conflicting arguments here.

    The Rafale's rear jammer is on the tip of the tail fin. Again, conflicting arguments/bullshit.

    Lacks sensor fusion because you said so?

    Depends on range and quantity of threats.
     
  5. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    They don't keep crashing like Rafales.

    I suppose the tail fin doesn't move either? And the spectra jammers can jam through wing stores too?


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  6. Ezco

    Ezco Captain FULL MEMBER

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    The fact there are no sea typhoon help a lot. Takin in account the French Air Force Rafale, there are more typhoon falling down than Rafale.
    For a kids it changes nothing right ?
    The good news for you is tornado is here to do the job.
     
  7. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Oh, we are doing fine for ourselves. Don't worry about us.

    Yes, that's why it is better than the Rafale for ACT. The biggest returns for the X band is from the inlet, cockpit etc. The biggest returns for the L band is the wing, typically the leading edge.

    Typhoon's antenna distribution is neither on the fuselage nor the leading edge. Rafale's antenna placement on the canards takes care of the leading edge as well as the fuselage.

    PAK FA Stage 2 will have a more diverse antenna distribution system, covering multiple bandwidths from multiple locations.

    That's a good thing. It's not the tail that is the problem but the engine. The engine creates both cavity resonance and edge diffraction. So the emitter on the tail does its job of canceling out waves incident to the engine. That's a perfect place for AC.

    Because I know so.

    The Typhoon has a basic sensor fusion where it only prioritizes the sensor that has generated the most information. Rafale goes one step further, like the F-35, where the sensors overlap and provide a combined image. Rafale's fusion engine will soon combine even off board sensors after Tragedac is implemented.

    Only quantity matters. Range doesn't.

    The only advantage for the radar is it acts as a large sensor surface for reception. Any incident wave is then canceled by the radar on the F-35 or the canard-placed emitter on the Rafale through sensor fusion. Typhoon doesn't have the same advantage. Its radar is too old and the emitter antennas are located far away from the fuselage. The number of emitters themselves that handle AC are few.
     
  8. Ezco

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    My god after the fuselage now the tail is moving also like a wing.... Better and better BMD ahahahahah
     
  9. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    We don't need a sea Typhoon because we are getting a naval stealth fighter in 2 years (well 4 years when naval ops start).

    Incorrect again. 1 FAF Rafale has been lost with one death. 0 RAF Typhoons have been lost.

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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Yes, all those great Indian built fighter jets.

    But wing mounted AC jammers don't work remember - see Ezco for details.:rofl:

    Doesn't need to be but will be with Captor-E for added affect.

    Conformal bollox, blah blah blah. Meanwhile.

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    The engine is that is structural attached to the fuselage and intakes? This is gold. @Ezco, it vibrates, it can't possibly work.:rofl:

    It also sits on a rectangular metal box.:rofl:

    The Typhoon has already performed BVR shots in testing using a third aircraft for targeting.

    Unique AMRAAM Firing with Eurofighter Typhoon | at DefenceTalk

    Sure range matters.

    Nope, the larger radar has a smaller beamwidth, more jamming power density, and can engage more targets simultaneously, whilst also detecting passive receivers on the ground and in the air.

    The Typhoon has two jammers, with moving antennae covering forward and rear. Rafale only has one on the rear. Soon Typhoon will have 3 on the front.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Hey @randomradio said it not me, re: cavity resonance. By the end of tonight, you will likely both have each other's cavities resonating.
     
  12. Ezco

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    Who cares why you don't have see typhoon, the fact is you don't have so you need to exclude the Rafale m from statistiques. Basic maths.
     
  13. Ezco

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    I never said jammer on wing pod doesn't work. I said active cancellation doesn't work on wing pod. But for standard jamming like on typhoon it is sufficient, but obsolet.
     
  14. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The minute he starts throwing insults, you know you have won the argument. He argues like a woman. So if you continue, he will too, without making sense.
     
  15. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Okay:

    FAF losses - 1
    RAF losses - 0
     

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