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The Flying White MMRCA Deal

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by BMD, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. Ezco

    Ezco Captain FULL MEMBER

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    the typhoon has an obsolet mechanical PESA radar and it will stay like that fo the next 5 years minimum. So you can put jammer everywhere on the typhoon it doesn't change it is obsolet. If not why purchase F 35 and not developing a sea typhoon.
    Jf17 and Tejas will get their AESA before typhoon ahahahahahah
     
  2. BMD

    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    You already both contradicted yourselves and each other. So this is quite funny.

    You are a woman. I'm just making you look stupid by allowing you to carry on talking.
     
  3. Ezco

    Ezco Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Nope typhoon is not only use in raf, so it's crash ratio is higher than Rafale.
     
  4. BMD

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    Except it does work, otherwise it wouldn't work on the end of a tail fin, or from fuselage to wing. They're both obsolete, you don't see any developed nations buying them except Austria and partner nations.
     
  5. Ezco

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    Please don't insult women. But don't worry we all know how BMD is. To be honest I feel pity for him.
     
  6. BMD

    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Wow, see the bold, you don't even know the difference. 2018 is when it changes.

    Why?

    a) Because the F-35B is more advanced and has better jamming than the Typhoon or Rafale, or anything this side of dedicated EA aircraft.

    b) It's stealthy.

    c) The Typhoon isn't designed for carrier ops.

    d) Even if it were, the QE carriers have no catapult.

    e ) You're an idiot.
     
  7. Ezco

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    If it was you would design a carrier with a catapult, you would not purchase the unfinished costly whit elephant, and you will not be spare providers.
     
  8. BMD

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    Not in terms of flying hours.

    The RAF has flown as many hours as the French Rafales in total, let alone the FAF alone, so it's a valid comparison between the two aircraft and two nations. The FAF has flown less hours than the RAF, and has less aircraft, yet still more losses.
     
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    I would have built carriers with a catapult and purchased the F-35C if it were me, but Labour governments are not known for their commonsense.
     
  10. Ezco

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    Source for RAF flying hours?
     
  11. Tejpal

    Tejpal Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Flying Hours. Views on the number of required live flight hours vary widely. The NATO minimum is 180 hours (15 per month). RAF flying hours for jet pilots is between 180 and 240 per year (18.5 per month on average). Of these hours, 150 hours (12–14 hours per month; 12.5 on average) are felt to be a safety-of-flight minimum (instruments, takeoffs, landings). The RAF also feels the additional increment for military elements of flying (e.g., warfare tactics) is about three hours per month or 36 per year for a total of 186 annual hours (15.5 hours monthly). The 180–240 hours include all flying (e.g., transit and overhead flights) not just military elements or high-quality flying, which is estimated at 75–80 percent of the total.
    RAF jet pilots are generally funded at 180 hours annually (15 per month). A desired number of monthly flight hours would be about 22.5, but they acknowledge it would be difficult to fly more than 28 hours per month given all the other things that pilots must accomplish. Not all planes have the same kind of flying hours provision: for example, the Tornado has fewer flying hours than maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) Nimrods had, but far more sorties (a typical Tornado sortie is an hour and a half, those of Nimrod were of course much longer). For Red Flag, there is a pretty intensive workup. There is no deployment pattern except for Red Flag, and a more constant level of flying exists in the RAF.
    Compared with their RAF counterparts, Royal Navy Sea Harrier pilots would get six to eight
    weeks of additional training, including 30 additional flight hours and 15 to 25 hours on the simulators as of 2002.

    Roughly about 200-210 hours on the Typhoon, this being an example: Typhoon Thousand; RAF World First

    Also this: Management of the Typhoon Project: Ministry of Defence - Great Britain: National Audit Office - Google Books


    Don't know what the French figures are.
     
  12. BMD

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    The Russian said “Russia has tried its best to explain to India, as the Eurofighter people have, that it is completely senseless to buy a platform designed in the 1980s for such a huge amount of money,” Pukhov said, “especially since the full fleet won’t be operational for, let’s say, 10 years.”

    Think he was right, USA decided you had design while you were testing or the plane would be obsolete by the time it was built.

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  14. Picdelamirand-oil

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    mechanical PESA radar =====> mechanical radar
    PESA is too much High tech for Typhoon
     
  15. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Wow what an escalation in price of ra fail

    In 2007 mmrca 126 + tot + weapons + training + nfg plant + initial spares + 50% offsets = max 14-16 billion


    Patriotic modi / bjp criticised the deal now the same patriotic guys are buying

    36 rafales for 12 billion
     
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