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The Flying White MMRCA Deal

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by BMD, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    India's Wrong Priorities: As Children Go Hungry PM Modi Buys Fighter Jets In France
    Main Business India's Wrong Priorities: As Children Go Hungry PM Modi Buys Fighter Jets In France
    1. 04.12 / 15:08 forbes.com
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    On the occasion of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s recent state visit to France (GDP per capita, US$42,000) it was announced that India (GDP per capita, US$6,000) would purchase 36 “ready to fly” Rafale fighter jets from French aerospace behemoth Dassault Aviation. Great news for France! This brings in revenue and creates lots of jobs. This is especially so as there have been difficulties getting customers; so far, until PM Modi’s proposed purchase, the only sale had been to Egyptian military dictator Abdel Fattah al-Sisi.

    The implications for India, however, are depressing: one more vivid illustration of misguided policies at the expense of the poor. 960 million Indians live on less than $2 a day. Reading the data is one thing; seeing the consequences, as I did recently driving through the slums on the outskirts of Jaipur, is heart-wrenching. Their plight could not be worse. Rafale jet fighters are about the last thing they need!

    India will soon surpass China to become the world’s most populous nation, reaching 1.6 billion by the middle of the century. The demographic profiles of the two countries are totally different. Whereas China faces the challenges of a rapidly aging society, hence a decrease in the labor pool; with its huge demographic dividend (50% of the population is less than 25, 65% less than 35) India needs to create millions of jobs. If hundreds of millions of Indians remain mired in poverty and the young fail to be educated, employed and motivated, the consequences could be truly dramatic for Indians, but also for the world in the 21st century. Not only will India have failed; humanity will have failed.

    India matters to the world. With a civilization stretching back thousands of years, India has a great deal to contribute to global civilization. The richer India is not only materially, but also culturally and spiritually, the richer the planet is; this has been the case for centuries until the impoverishment of the country caused by 200 years of British colonialism. India is a democracy.

    In short, India has a lot to offer the world; but to be in a position to do so it has to improve radically the lives of hundreds …
     
  2. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    A country that has 44% of its children under five suffering from malnutrition – providing the world with one-third of the total population of hungry children – can perhaps become a world power (if it keeps on buying state-of-the-art French fighter jets), but certainly not a world role model: India’s purchase of fighter jets may be a means to achieve greater hard power, but in the process, as domestic social conditions of misery and injustice continue to fester, it is losing soft power.

    There are structural and policy issues: education, apart from that for the elite, is appalling; infrastructure is equally so; there is widespread corruption; and widespread disease. Life expectancy in India ranks 167th (out of 228) in the world: at 68 years, it is significantly lower than China (75.3), but also than other developing countries such as Sri Lanka (76.5), Vietnam (73) and Indonesia (72.5).

    But perhaps more fundamental is the problem of mindsets.

    In his thought-provoking book ‘Being Indian‘, former diplomat, politician, author and thought leader Pavan Varma stresses that in the Indian elite “there is a remarkable tolerance of inequity, filth and human suffering”. He adds that “concern for the deprived and the suffering is not a prominent feature of the Indian personality. The rich in India have always lived a life quite oblivious to the ocean of poverty around them”.

    Less than ten minutes from the slums on the outskirts of Jaipur there are very nice upper income (heavily guarded) residential areas.

    One city: two universes.

    There are change makers. At NIIT University (NU) in Rajasthan where I am visiting professor there is an admirable program known as ‘Community Connect‘. Every single student has to be engaged, including in what is known as ‘Each One – Teach One‘, whereby NU students are allotted a pupil from the poor rural areas to whom they must reach out and teach basic skills.

    The objective of the program is to enable NU students to appreciate and inculcate values like ‘sensitivity towards the under-privileged’ and a ‘humanitarian attitude’. Given the dismal state of Indian primary and secondary public education, students at the tertiary level are by definition privileged.

    In conversations with the students my impression is that they see the ‘Community Connect’ program as an opportunity, not a chore, and are committed to continuing engaging in social activities post-graduation.

    There are indeed many admirable initiatives emanating from academe, some businesses, and NGOs. There is the ‘Housing and Land Rights Network‘, which fights for the rights of the homeless, especially homeless women who are the most destitute of the destitute. I got to know the Network during their courageous struggle against the brutal forced evictions of Delhi slum dwellers for the 2010 Commonwealth Games. Another questionable priority!

    Water distribution and access to sanitation in Indian villages are terrible; girls (and it is always girls!) need to walk huge distances to fetch water from wells, thereby missing out on school. Over a-third of females in India are illiterate; there are more illiterate females in India than in the rest of the world combined.

    Fighting female illiteracy should be a greater priority than buying French fighter jets. The plight of women is terrible, beginning with a gender gap in education of Himalayan proportions. Again, there are private initiatives such as the impressive Mumbai-based ‘Educate Girls Foundation’ which is actively engaged in seeking to reduce the gap.

    Ultimately, however, all of the good work of corporations, universities, NGOs, foundations, philanthropists, religious institutions, etc. will not lift hundreds of millions out of a life of desperate destitution. No country has ever succeeded in reducing poverty without having government actively engaged in creating the proper conditions and opportunities for individuals to rise from poverty.

    This is another one of the big differences between China and India: though China also has spent unseemly amounts on weaponry, it did at least get its social priorities right by virtually eradicating illiteracy, investing massively in primary education, including for girls, and thereby greatly reducing poverty.

    As author Pallavi Aiyar has written in her excellent book ‘Smoke and Mirrors: An Experience of China‘, if born rich it is better to be Indian, if born poor it is better to be Chinese.

    Of course the Government of India needs to be concerned about security, especially as it is quite a combustible neighborhood.

    The greatest threat to Indian security, however, is domestic.

    India should be “attacking” its perceived external “enemies” with weapons of mass seduction – as a democratic, just, equitable, inclusive, gender empowering, and humane nation – rather than through weapons of mass destruction.

    The greatest means to enhance security in South Asia is not more weapons. Member states of the ‘South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation’ (SAARC) have one of the world’s lowest rates of intra-regional trade. This is especially the case of trade between Pakistan and India.

    As the early 19th century French political economist Frédéric Bastiat is alleged to have said: “if goods don’t cross borders, armies (or indeed Rafale fighter jets) will”. Both Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif should have his portrait and quote hung in their respective offices.

    Think of the hungry children of India, give back the Rafale fighter jets to France (we’ll survive).
     
  3. Averageamerican

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    In his thought-provoking book ‘Being Indian‘, former diplomat, politician, author and thought leader Pavan Varma stresses that in the Indian elite “there is a remarkable tolerance of inequity, filth and human suffering”. He adds that “concern for the deprived and the suffering is not a prominent feature of the Indian personality. The rich in India have always lived a life quite oblivious to the ocean of poverty around them”.
     
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    That what we call Low Balling the USA, promise something at one price then sell it a high price once they have your attention. You could have bought the other planes for half the price of the Rafale. The cheapest bid is not always the best bid.
     
  5. The Drdo Guy

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    Yes,we are hungry and malnutrioned but its not the defence budget which should be spent on malnutrition. The money is alloted in budget so that no child go hungry and there are proviions in our constitution too. The DM of a distric gets some 20 million rupees per month so that no one in his/her distric go hungry but the rules are not strictly adhered. So, my american friend remember one thing "India is a poor country of Rich people." We have resources we have money but all in vain. You quoted 44% of world hungry children are Indian but we have a huge birth rate and going by that we are still better. Yes, situation has to be improved but certainly not at the cost of defence budget. We don't need rationing, we need accountability from citizens and government. I believe that if every Indian work for say 5 year honestly, most of our probles will be rooted out.
     
  6. BMD

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    Oh but they're now cheaper apparently, ask randomradio.
     
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    I bet Lockheed is thinking we should raise the price of the F35 to least half that of the Rafale.
     
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    hi hi hi....

    The same promise as "F35 will be as manoeuvrable as F16". Same promise as "F35 will costs 30 millions".

    As for now, no more than 7G, cost of arround 250 millions....
     
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    100 billion dollars. And they haven't quit their traditional profession. (Rtoschild's) Communist activity ha increased in the surrounding area and Christin missionaries are at full throttle. They are looking to destabilize the state. Also, there is a rise in Bengladeshi immigrants, we know them because their Malayalam accent in different.
     
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    Rothschild family. It is the family which looted my nation, and how they gained their wealth, they're the richest people on the planet and also the one which controls City of London (a.k.a the British Crown) and also the Federal Reserve Bank.
     
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    More than 100 billion dollars in gold value alone. They are actually in Jewellery form. And antique. So it's value is much higher. Read on "Padmanabhaswami Kshetram". You'll see the biggest treasure of a statue.
     
  12. BMD

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    So the conspiracy theory goes but I wouldn't bet every cent I had on it.
     
  13. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Well, i kindly suggest you to check the price on USAspehndings, the only reliable source as contracts are set up so as to build a smoke screen? And bet what? Just adding the most important ones i got this. (not me in fact, but i'll work on it)

    SDD + Retrofit : $46 581 357 548
    Due date Aircrafts # Procurement Cost /AC Program Cost/AC
    31/12/2009 LRIP-01 2 $697 933 960 $348 966 980 $23 639 645 754
    31/12/2010 LRIP-02 12 $3 380 117 023 $281 676 419 $3 608 916 243
    31/12/2011 LRIP-03 17 $4 543 003 516 $267 235 501 $1 769 859 938
    31/12/2012 LRIP-04 32 $6 974 170 721 $217 942 835 $957 329 463
    31/12/2013 LRIP-05 32 $6 013 337 820 $187 916 807 $678 246 886
    31/12/2014 LRIP-06 36 $8 399 028 046 $233 306 335 $588 889 217
    31/12/2015 LRIP-07 35 $6 315 562 459 $180 444 642 $461 055 229
    31/12/2016 LRIP-08 43 $8 582 182 725 $199 585 645 $422 462 954
    31/12/2017 LRIP-09 57 $9 637 284 728 $169 075 171 $344 193 056
    31/12/2018 LRIP-10 90 $3 741 462 670 $41 571 807 $172 418 317
    31/12/2019 LRIP-11 105 $1 538 581 952 $14 653 161 $115 697 321
    31/12/2020 LRIP-12 164 $- $- $74 530 172
    31/12/2021 LRIP-13 159 $- $- $59 414 997
    31/12/2022 LRIP-14 153 $- $- $49 713 295
    31/12/2023 LRIP-15 1 $- $- $49 660 296
    --- --------------- ------------ --------------
    -> 31/12/2016 Procurement:209 $44 905 336 270 $214 858 068 $437 735 377
    Support and maintenance $48 273 745 Lifecycle costs /ac : $215 089 043
    Infra/Equipment $1 051 281 843 Total costs / ac $220 119 100

    to date dollars obligated : $ 107 503 578 756

    List of engagements

    N0001996C0176 SDD JSF Engine Development F136
    N0001997C0038 SDD JSF System Development and Demonstration
    N0001901C0132 SDD JSF Engine Development F135
    N0001902C3002 SDD JSF System Development and Demonstration
    N0001902C3003 SDD JSF Engine Development F135
    N0001902G3053 SDD JSF Engine Development F135
    N0001902G3104 SDD Infra Red Imagery Sidewinder Tail (IRIS-T) Missile Feasibility Study
    N0001902G3236 SDD JSF Engine Development F136
    N0001904C0093 SDD JSF Engine Development F136
    N0001904C0102 SDD JSF Engine Development F136
    N0001904C3002 SDD JSF System Development and Demonstration
    N0001904D0009 SDD JSF System Development and Demonstration
    N0001904D0074 SDD JSF Engine Development F136
    N0001904D0077 SDD JSF Engine Development F135
    N0001906C0291 LRIP-01 Production
    N0001906C0294 LRIP-01 Production
    N0001906D0009 SDD JSF Engine Development F136
    N0001907C0097 LRIP-02 Production
    N0001907C0098 LRIP-02 Production
    N0001908C0028 LRIP-03 Production
    N0001908C0033 LRIP-03 Production
    N0001909C0010 LRIP-04 Production
    N0001909C0015 LRIP-04 Production
    N0001909D0022 SDD JSF System Development and Demonstration
    N0001910C0002 LRIP-05 Production
    N0001910C0005 LRIP-05 Production
    N0001911C0083 LRIP-06 Production
    N0001912C0004 LRIP-07 Production
    N0001912C0060 LRIP-07 Production
    N0001912C0070 SDD IL/SDD, Phase 1 Preliminary Task Only
    N0001912C0090 LRIP-06 Production
    N0001912D0002 RETROFIT JSF Engine retrofit
    N0001913C0008 LRIP-08 Production
    N0001913C0013 LRIP-08 LRIP 8 Israel
    N0001913C0014 LRIP-08 LRIP 8 Japan
    N0001913C0016 LRIP-08 Production
    N0001913D0005 SUPPORT Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) Effort
    N0001913R0078 LRIP-08 Sustainment
    N0001914C0002 LRIP-09 Production
    N0001914C0004 LRIP-09 Production
    N0001914C0026 SDD JSF Engine Development F135
    N0001914C0040 LRIP-08 F-35 Japan NRE
    N0001914G0020 RETROFIT F-35/JSF OMNIBUS Basic Ordering Agreement
    N0001914R0026 LRIP-09 Sustainment
    N0001914R1031 LRIP-09 Sustainment
    N0001915C0003 LRIP-10 Production
    N0001915C0004 LRIP-10 Production
    N0001915C0016 RETROFIT BLOCK-2B
    N0001915C0031 LRIP-08 Sustainment
    N0001915C0105 BASE Australia, Canada, United Kingdom Reprogramming Lab
    N0001915C0114 LRIP-09 Sustainment
    N0001916C0004 LRIP-10 Sustainment
    N0001916C0008 RETROFIT F-35 EMD Phase 1 Block 4.1 (Engineering, Manufacturing and Development)
    N0001916C0033 LRIP-11 Production
    N0001916C0052 SDD Joint Precision Approach and Landing System
    N0001916C0056 BASE Norway, Italy Reprogramming Lab
    N0001916G0002 SDD JSF Engine Development F135
    N0001916R0052 LRIP-11 Sustainment
    N0001917C0002 RETROFIT F-35 FoM Phase II Block 4.2 (follow-on modernization)
    N0001917C0010 SUPPORT JSF Engine operations and maintenance
    N0001917C0020 LRIP-11 Production
     
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