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The Indian Navy's helicopter plans and purchases

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. ashkum2278

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    Eurocopter AS565 Panther: Multi-Role And Extremely Dangerous Helicopter

     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Dhruv is around 5.5t MTOW and even Sikorsky's S76 that is expected to be part of the tender, comes around 5.3t. But more importantly, that is the maximum take off weight and why would a naval Dhruv need to take off that heavy from our vessels? Neither SAR, anti piracy or even or the light utility missions would require a fully loaded Dhruv right? The land versions carry full load of troops or even jeeps as a slung load, but that's not the usual load for an NLUH.
    Afaik no naval Dhruv so far has the new folding system. I only have seen it on models or the mock up of HALs LUH, which has no prospect for naval vessels anyway.
    The issue of the current system was not only automatic or mechanical, but also that the rotors are not fully folding to the back, which means it requires more hangar space. But then again, what did HAL waited for, to fix these issues and get at least a piece of the 100+ helicopter deal.
     
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    Big Indian Navy Requirement for Helicopters Revealed
    Thursday, October 12, 2017 By: AIN Online Source Link: CLICK HERE


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    The Indian Navy has revealed an intention to procure approximately 111 Naval Utility Helicopters (NUH) and 123 Naval Multi-role Helicopters (MRH). The responses to two requests for information (RFI) documents by the Indian Ministry of Defence were due last week. The two projects are partially a restatement of earlier requirements that were never realized. They both require indigenous manufacture under Delhi’s “Make in India” requirements.

    The MRH will replace the Indian Navy’s Sea Kings, and is to be procured in two versions. One will perform anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASuW), electronic intelligence-gathering, and search and rescue (SAR). The other will be for special operations, including anti-piracy missions, combat SAR and humanitarian operations.

    In December 2014, the MoD chose the Sikorsky S-70B to meet an interim ASW/ASuW requirement, but a contract was never signed, since pricing could not be agreed. But a defense official told AIN that Sikorsky was still the “natural” choice, especially since it seemed that neither Leonardo nor NH Industries (which produces the NH-90 and is part-owned by Leonardo) would be allowed to bid, following the AW101 procurement scandal. When asked by AIN whether this was indeed the case, Leonardo’s head office for helicopters in Italy did not respond. Airbus Helicopters is another likely contender.

    The NUH will replace aging Cheetahs and Chetaks. A previous requirement for only 56 such helicopters was cancelled in October 2014. The new request calls for the NUH to perform SAR, medical evacuation, communications, anti-piracy missions, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The initial NUH acquisition will comprise 15 “basic” versions. The remaining 96, according to think tank Indian Defense Research Wing, are “required to have sub-surface mission capabilities, which means the whole fleet of Indian Navy’s Next Generation Naval Utility Helicopters will have torpedo-carrying capabilities.”

    “The indigenous portion of the procurement is to be manufactured in India based on designs to be provided by the foreign OEM to the selected strategic partner,” said the RFI. The OEM must maximize the local content. But an analyst told AIN that government-owned Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) might still be eligible . It is in partnership with Rostec Corp for the supply of 197 Russian KA-226T helicopters to the Indian army and air force. A ship-based version of the Ka-226T has passed trials, and “nowhere does the [Indian Navy] RFI say this is meant only for the private sector,” the analyst added.
    http://www.defencenews.in/article/Big-Indian-Navy-Requirement-for-Helicopters-Revealed-404067

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    S-70 is the clear choice.
     
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    Sikorsky S-70B Naval Helicopter

    The Indian Navy has revealed an intention to procure approximately 111 Naval Utility Helicopters (NUH) and 123 Naval Multi-role Helicopters (MRH). The responses to two requests for information (RFI) documents by the Indian Ministry of Defence were due last week. The two projects are partially a restatement of earlier requirements that were never realised. They both require indigenous manufacture under Delhi’s “Make in India” requirements.

    The MRH will replace the Indian Navy’s Sea Kings, and is to be procured in two versions. One will perform anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASuW), electronic intelligence-gathering, and search and rescue (SAR). The other will be for special operations, including anti-piracy missions, combat SAR and humanitarian operations.

    In December 2014, the MoD chose the Sikorsky S-70B to meet an interim ASW/ASuW requirement, but a contract was never signed, since pricing could not be agreed. But a defense official told AIN that Sikorsky was still the “natural” choice, especially since it seemed that neither Leonardo nor NH Industries (which produces the NH-90 and is part-owned by Leonardo) would be allowed to bid, following the AW101 procurement scandal. When asked by AIN whether this was indeed the case, Leonardo’s head office for helicopters in Italy did not respond. Airbus Helicopters is another likely contender.

    The NUH will replace aging Cheetahs and Chetaks. A previous requirement for only 56 such helicopters was cancelled in October 2014. The new request calls for the NUH to perform SAR, medical evacuation, communications, anti-piracy missions, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The initial NUH acquisition will comprise 15 “basic” versions. The remaining 96, according to think tank Indian Defense Research Wing, are “required to have sub-surface mission capabilities, which means the whole fleet of Indian Navy’s Next Generation Naval Utility Helicopters will have torpedo-carrying capabilities.”

    “The indigenous portion of the procurement is to be manufactured in India based on designs to be provided by the foreign OEM to the selected strategic partner,” said the RFI. The OEM must maximize the local content. But an analyst told AIN that government-owned Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) might still be eligible . It is in partnership with Rostec Corp for the supply of 197 Russian KA-226T helicopters to the Indian army and air force. A ship-based version of the Ka-226T has passed trials, and “nowhere does the [Indian Navy] RFI say this is meant only for the private sector,” the analyst added.

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...-indian-navy-requirement-helicopters-revealed
     
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    What additional advantages does S70 have over Dhruv apart from folding blades?

    why cant Dhruv be modified for ASW/ASuW roles. I'm sure lifting capacity is not an issue. I have seen a gypsy being hug to its belly.
     
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    Two different classes of helicopters, <5ton and ~10-12ton. Dhruv is comparable to panther not S-70.

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    It would be a major disappointment if we still limit our forces because of blanket blacklistings. For the ASW requirements, that leaves us in a single vendor situation, while in the anti ship version, the Airbus H225 at least, although S70s and H225s are pretty different and it will be interesting to see what route IN will go. Either way, a competition between S70 and NH90 would had been better for us.
     
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    I think LM will be offering MH-60R “Romeo” not S-70B SeaHawk. Costlier but good competition to H225M.

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    We already selected the S70 before, but the contract was not signed by the government and the procurement cancelled at the end. Sikorsky also has no reason to reduce price, if there is no competition for ASW helicopters and the H225 will probably be costlier too, so they will push for 1 version for both requirements at their demands.
     
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    Past procurement is irrelevant now. And there is no two requirements, S70 and H225M will go head on for the 123 medium multirole tender.
     
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    There are 2 requirements (anti sub and anti ship capability), that ideally could be delivered by the same helicopter in 2 versions , that's why it would be better to have S70 competing NH90. The H225 is not available in an ASW version, which means even if we would select it for anti ship roles, we have to buy S70s for the ASW role and buying 2 different NMHR would increase costs by far.

    Recap:

    http://www.spsnavalforces.com/story/?id=349
     
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    Wrong, There are two requirements Multirole and Special ops. Its a single tender for 123 helicopter. Both H225M and MH-60R fits perfectly to compete for it.

    Airbus H225M is available with Sonobuoys and MU90 torpedo. It already won the coast guard tender for 14 helicopters.

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