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The Indian Navy's helicopter plans and purchases

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    But then you would have, say, a 10 ton NH-90/S-70B directly competing with a 12 ton S-92/C-148, it's not going to be a very fair fight nor will it allow for a proper comparison.

    Why would this be seperate to the above Sea King replacement NMRH?

    Good thinking (to have maximum commonality with the IN and ICG) but the +28 (for the "SEA KING CAPABILITY REPLACEMENT PROGRAM") would be negated from the outset as the ICG has already selected the H225M for this role
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    @Abingdonboy , corrections made.

    12 Ton MultiRole Helicopter [Given that we are going to have 4 Amphibious ships too, transport and long range SAR mission, capability becomes important which S70 lacks in.

    A purely ASW/ASuW Helicopter in addition to the 12 Ton requirement capability , because [I am not 100% sure about it ] , but I have read that Kamorta Class can support helicopters upto 10 tons.And so does our Naval OPVs.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    This is why the S-70B+H225M combination (along with 100 NLUH, preferably Panthers) makes the most sense. All major vessels (NOPVs, Corvettes, FSS etc) in the IN can operate a 10 ton NMRH and the largest (frigates and larger) can operate a 12 ton NMRH and with the addition of 4 LHD/LPD there is a need for larger helos (12 tons), the S-70B is ill-suited for troop transport and would be a sub-optimal solution for such expensive and large vessels that focus on aviation operations. It wouldn't make sense to go for LHD/LPD and only operate 10ton NMRH.

    Look at the French Navy- they operate the H225M alongside the 10ton NH-90 (and Panther).
     
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    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Where is all this talk about H225M's coming from? I hadn't heard anything of the sort until now. I was under the impression that the only move made in regards to naval helicopters was the deal for 16 Seahawks...
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    In a first, HAL assures 75% availability of Dhruv fleet



    http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...ailability-of-dhruv-fleet-117033001194_1.html

    Now this is something!


    1) HAL are really upping their game wrt to their after-sales activities, sure it is for in-country work but 75% availability is no joke, this is a serious commitment.
    2) The Indian military is FINALLY waking up to their availability crisis, having the numbers isn't enough, they also need to make sure their asset uptime is highly optimised. Performance based logistics and contracts with firm availability targets are now the norm (Rafale, MKI, C-17, C-130J-30 and now ALH) for the Indian military, and long may it continue.


    @PARIKRAMA @Agent_47 @randomradio @Sancho @GSLV Mk III @Gessler @Ankit Kumar 001 @dadeechi @Levina @MilSpec @hellfire @Sathya @kurup @Himanshu Pandey @IndiranChandiran @Robinhood Pandey @Manmohan Yadav @SrNair @ni8mare @layman
     
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    Good news that .I sincerely hope HAL isn't taking through its hat here & they walk the talk .Too often have they promised more than they can deliver .

    On a different note , HAL seems to have achieved much and looks set to achieve more in the development of helos than they did with AC - fighter or trainer.
     
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    Narendra Modi Government's Rs 8,000 Crore Plan for Home-Made Choppers
    Providing a major boost to the maritime security capabilities of the Navy and Coast Guard, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has cleared a proposal worth around Rs 8,000 crore for acquiring 32 made in India ALH Dhruv helicopters to be built by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

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    can be merged here.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    It's a performance-based contract hence there will be harsh penalties if HAL can't deliver it's side of the bargin.
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the requirement for naval helicopters with long range, in the Sea Hawk class? Was there a competition / trials held, or did the government once again selected a winner without considering the requirements of the forces?
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    S-70B has been selected, DAC has cleared it but talks are still ongoing >1 year later :hitwall::hitwall:


    Won't be surprised if the entire deal is cancelled at this point, it has fallen into the typical farce of; delay,thus price escalation, Indian side outrage at price esclation, more delay.

    The deal is for just 16 (+8) helos anyway, with the IN requiring >100 such helos I can see the GoI/MoD playing another bait and switch, cancelling this off the shelf deal and launching a much larger "Make in India only" deal, cue 5-6 years of further delays :suicide:
     
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    The Project was cleared by DAC in 2014. It was under Make in India programme . At the moment Indian Navy has deployed its fleet of the ALH Dhruv helicopters in Kochi at its base INS Garuda.
    The Coast Guard has these twin-engine helicopters at its different bases for carrying out search and rescue and coastal surveillance missions.
    'The Navy is also planning to equip the choppers with some low frequency SONARs which would be developed by the force with the help of an advanced DRDO laboratory.

    S70B was selected initially but deal stalled due to price issues. So NDA chose to go with Make In India program. December 5, 2014, the Indian Navy announced that it had agreed to buy 16 S-70B Seahawk helicopters.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    The current S-70B deal is not under Make in India, all 16(/24) would be bought entirely off the shelf, LM/Sikorsky have said they would require a much larger deal to set up a production/assembly line in India.
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    For the IN ASW requirement or for the coastal surveillance requirement that IN and ICG had? Both stated in the past, that the Dhruv lacks the range for this role.
     

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