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The Indian Navy's helicopter plans and purchases

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    That's just a lose PR term and any kind of offsets that will be diverted to India, then is called make in India.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    S-70B is for ASW, AFAIK ALH is for SAR, air interdiction and surveillance roles (both shore based and embarked) for IN and ICG, its range is adequate for these roles, long(er) range SAR will be handled by the H225M by the ICG and whatever future NMRHs the IN selects/orders.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Helicopters are not for sure.

    Check that video again.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    NLUH maybe not but NMRH (12 ton, no news on 10 ton at all) are for sure.
     
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    On what basis? Any sources?


    All those reporters did not ask about helicopters? WTF.
     
  6. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Was mentioned by Airbus Military's representative at DEFEXPO 2016 and IIRC @PARIKRAMA said as much.


    Lol, I'd be surprised if these Indian "defence reporters" even knew the navy flew helicopters.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Not a good source. They need to eliminate competition. :angry:

    Is that tender still active? Who knows.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    No idea if the tender is still active, the NLUH seems to be flying under the radar too (excuse the pun) but apprantly is still active (according to Airbus and Bell).

    Let's not forget how long the ICG's MRH saga has rolled on (almost 10 years now), apparently there is some light on the horizon now for it.
     
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    Govt Contracts Needed To Jump-Start Defence Manufacturing In India: Airbus



    Keen to make India global hub for Panther helicopters



    Pierre de Bausset, Airbus India’s President and Managing Director, said the government has to start placing large-scale contracts to boost manufacturing in the defense sector. In an interview with BusinessLine, he said Airbus has offered ₹5,000 crore as potential investments which will come in when it obtains defense programs from the government. Excerpts:



    PIERRE DE BAUSSET, President and MD, Airbus India



    What is the update on your collaboration with Mahindra for military helicopters manufacturing?



    We want to put India on the world map for military helicopter manufacturing together with Mahindra Defense. To that effect, our partnership with Mahindra envisages creation of a private sector champion in India for manufacturing military helicopters. This includes the Naval Utility Helicopter (NUH), Reconnaissance & Surveillance Helicopter (RSH) and Naval Multi-Role Helicopter (NMRH). When released, the chapter on ‘Strategic Partnerships’ under the Defense Procurement Policy (DPP), may also influence the contours of our collaboration and offering to India.



    How is your proposal to build a final assembly line for the Panther helicopter in India developing?



    We are proposing to set up a final assembly line in India and make it the global hub for Panther helicopters. The production line will fulfill the Indian order as well as meet export demand. The proposal will materialize if we are awarded the Naval Utility Helicopter (NUH) program.



    What is the latest on the C295W program?



    The evaluation of our proposal to build the C295W in India with TATA is advancing. The part of the field evaluation trials we were involved in is over.



    Tell us about the growth of your defense business in India?



    ‘Make in India’ is at the heart of our business strategy and you will see that our engagement with India goes beyond just sales. There is a lot of engagement on the industrial level. On the defense side, in particular, we are offering the C295W as a replacement for the Avro aircraft. As I just said, the proposal is advancing as per the DPP. Together with TATA, the program holds out the promise of creating a world-class private sector aircraft manufacturing capability in India within an ambitious time-frame, and nurturing a widened supplier base with an increasingly skilled workforce.



    I have already touched upon the partnership with Mahindra Defense to produce military helicopters in India. To add to that, even before we have a contract from the government, we have started working with Mahindra on an industrial level. Last year, we awarded a contract to Mahindra Aerostructures to make air frame parts for the Panther. These parts will be produced at the Mahindra facility in Bangalore. They will be shipped to the Airbus Helicopter production line in Marignane, France, where they will be integrated with the rest of the air frame assembly and will form a critical part of the Panthers sold worldwide.



    What is the status of the Coast Guard competition for 14 twin-engine Heavy Helicopters and are you are offering a MRO for the EC725 as part of the offer?



    The EC725, now marketed globally as the H225M, has been selected by the Indian Coast Guard, and we are in the final contract stage with the customer. Yes, as part of our offer, a MRO facility to structure the Performance Based Logistics support package for these helicopters is proposed in Goa. All 14 EC725 will be re-assembled and flight-tested there. It is going to be a green-field project. The facility will include intermediate and depot level maintenance.



    What happened to the mid-air tanker deal?



    The outstanding RFP for the acquisition was withdrawn by the Ministry of Defense last year. We have no new information.



    Are you on track to achieving a target of over $2 billion worth of procurement in India till 2020 covering both civil as well as defense?



    We crossed $500 million in annual procurement from India in 2015 and had given the guidance of exceeding $2 billion in cumulative procurement in the next five years up to 2020. I can say that we are well poised to beat our own expectations.



    You said last year Airbus’ investments into India could exceed ₹5,000 crore. How much of that has fructified so far?



    The figure refers to potential investments across all the deference ‘Make in India’ and industrialization programs we are pursuing along with our partners in India.



    How much of it fructifies depends on the programs we receive from the Indian government. As I mentioned in my earlier responses, a number of proposals are in the pipeline. But these are not the only investments.



    How do you read the several policy announcements made by the government in boosting manufacturing in defense?



    What has been done is to lay the groundwork.



    What is needed now is for the government to award a few large scale contracts to jump start Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) and manufacturing activity as part of ‘Make in India’ in the aerospace and defense sector.


    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/airbus-india/article9663430.ece



    Same old story; OEMs waiting on contracts and SP chapter of DPP-2016 to allow "Make in India" to become a reality. If this GoI had any real desire for Make in India to be a success it would be pulling out all of the stops but so far they have only launched a swanky PR campaign, the ground situation has barely changed from the UPA's era. The NUH deal going to Airbus alone would be a huge success story for make in India but it, NMRH, C-295 etc etc are all in cold storage.


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    hmm Its nice to see american defense cos are ready to start manufacturing in India but are India- US political leadership ready to take this to higher level where trust level needs to be very high. More so is India ready to go ahead with US in joint manufacturing in defense ?. How much newer technology pentagon will allow to be brought into India or it is going to be US cos owned manufacturing plants here

    With Trump at the helm there is uncertainty as of now as he has different take on different matters with single country. India wastes hell lots of time before deciding any defense deal so only next few months of Trump presidency will decide which way the dice will roll
     
  11. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Wrt Make in India:

    http://indiandefence.com/threads/de...-real-or-just-a-hype.59512/page-5#post-556017
     
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  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    They are doing it for years, Boeing builds F18SH parts at HAL, TATA is building Sikorsky cabins and airframe parts.
     
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    what they are asking for now is making full fledged finished items which is not so till now, as of now they have ancillary units making parts
     
  14. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    That's them making purely business decsions and India being a growing hub for global supply chains, there is little strategic considerations here.

    @Bregs US OEMs are still not offering to have substantial "Make in India" projects, they are only offering final assembly- not tier one production status. This is because any such offers would have to go through US Congress and that would take years to gain clearance.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The full cabin of an S92 or a Black Hawk are not minor parts, even the C130 structures TATA builds are credible work. But for a full aircraft we have to order them in sufficient numbers, which we haven't so far. So the companies are ready to produce in India, simply for cost reduction, but for proper licence productions and winning big tenders, it also needs US government approval for the share of more techs.
    LM had proposed a similar JV with TATA for the C130 production, like they have with Airbus for C295. If MTA won't get restarted and the US government gets more flexible, that might be a potential larger US deal.
     
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