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The Kashmir Conflict

Discussion in 'Internal Affairs' started by desiman, Jun 23, 2010.

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Which solution woud you like ?

Poll closed Apr 24, 2017.
  1. Solution 1

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  2. Solution 2

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  3. Solution 3

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  4. Solution 4

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  5. Solution 5

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  6. Solution 6

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  7. Solution 7

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  1. Joe Shearer

    Joe Shearer VETERAN MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Did you see where I pointed out that the possibilities open to the princely states was partly in the Indian Independence Act, and partly in the verbal instructions carried by Mountbatten on Attlee's instructions?

    Are you under the impression that East Pakistan was a princely state?
     
  2. Joe Shearer

    Joe Shearer VETERAN MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    You f**king hypocrite :butcher:

    Read your own post #381. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Above all, when you find someone else finishing what you started, stop whining.
    :meeting:

     
  3. kaku

    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    Baffled about what? That it was part of Govt. Of India Act 1935. It is written clearly, there is no ambiguity. Instrument of Accession was not directly came fro, heaven, but it always hold a legal authority until 26th Jan 1950.

    Maybe you are a that type of person, a classic liberal, who unable to read what is written on the wall.

    While going hell bent to prove his/her point, just for sake of proving point.

    So it's better you atleast start doin some research before posting anything,
     
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  4. kaku

    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    So Instrument of Accession hold no value, a legal document, but verbal commitments? So why even taking J&K's instrument of accession seriously? When it don't hold any legal value?

    Furthur, Are you under impression that just because Nehru verbally committed to hold plebiscite, so India is under legal commitments?
     
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  5. kaku

    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    What is wrong with Post 381?
    All I see is your hypocrisy from start,then sugarcoating it, so it look more kool, isnt it? One cant blame others for what he/she started.
     
  6. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    MP adivasis, India’s slingshot experts, want to take on Kashmiri stone-pelters
    Published April 20, 2017
    SOURCE: ZEE MEDIA

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    Worried over the safety of the security forces in the Kashmir valley, adivasi youth from the Jhabua district have volunteered to face the stone-pelters with their ‘Gofan’. Gofan is a looped cord with a knitted bag on one end, similar to a slingshot. Pebbles are placed in the bag and the cord is swung in the air and the small stones are released towards the target.

    It looks deceptively simple but in reality is a very powerful weapon. The adivasis of Jhabua are experts in using Gofan and are know to be 100% accurate, at speeds 4-5 times than stones thrown using bare hands.


    As per a report in Dainik Bhaskar, the youth of the tribal district of MP have suggested to the government that a ‘Gofan battalion’, consisting of tribal youth, be formed and posted in Kashmir valley to take on the stone-pelters.

    With questions being asked about the use of pellet guns, the Gofan battalion will be the perfect answer to the Pakistan-sponsored misguided youth who indulge in stone pelting, they said.

    Faced with the masters of the art of ‘stone pelting’, the misguided youth of the valley will have no option but to retreat, feel the adivasi youth. Security forces operating in Kashmir often face violent protests and stone pelting mobs, especially during stiff resistance from the locals, when they are engaged in a gunfight with militants, who at times manage to escape with the help of the crowd.

    While pellet guns still remains an option, the security forces are in the process of acquiring non-penetrative plastic bullets for crowd control or stone-pelting mobs to reduce collateral damage during counter-insurgency operations.

    Army chief General Bipin Rawat had earlier warned of tough action against protesters who hurled stones at security personnel engaged in anti-militancy operations or targeted their families.
     
  7. Baba Saheb Ambedkar

    Baba Saheb Ambedkar IDF NewBie

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    I am firm believer of taking people along even with some concessions, with time they'll be integrated properly.

    However rule of law and upholding constitutional values is a must. There cannot be lapses on this regard.
     
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  8. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    That is correct. But in India, systematically we do not uphold the rule of law, that is why, we pay the price.
     
  9. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Sena formed to take on stone throwers in Valley
    Published April 25, 2017
    SOURCE : Hindustan Times

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    A public army has been formed to fight stone-throwers and elements attacking jawans of Indian army and para-military forces in strife torn Kashmir valley .

    Balyogi Arun Puri Chaitanya Maharaj, who has formed the Jan Sena, said 13,000 people had registered themselves and were ready to give a befitting reply to the stone throwers.“I appeal to Prime Minister Narendra Modi to permit the Sena to go to Kashmir and teach the separatist forces there a lesson,” he said.

    Arun Puri is head priest of the Siddhnath temple, a revered place in Kanpur’s Jajmau locality. He is meeting the saints in and around Kanpur with his plan for the valley. He held a meeting of saints in Jajmau in which he divulged that 100 youths of each civic ward have enrolled for Jan Sena in Kanpur.

    There are 114 civic wards under the Kanpur Municipal Corporation. “They are being imparted training to tackle the wayward youths in Kashmir,” he said.

    Arun Puri and other saints would meet the district magistrate on Wednesday with a formal letter to the PM and the President of India for allowing the JanSena march to Kashmir.

    Asked how will he arrange accommodation and food for 13,000 people, he said he had enough disciples to take care of these two issues. “We aren’t asking the government anything in return but will appreciate if the volunteers are allowed to spend the nights in army camps,” Puri said.

    He said he was in touch with other ‘sanyasis’ to raise the army at national level.
     
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  10. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Looks like the final few months of Kashmir nonsense are on the cards. A deft move, stoking the passions of the common Indian irrespective of the religion.

    There is no two opinion about Kashmir for a common citizen of India - across any religion :D
     
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  11. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    It would be really good to see how Pak strategists would be squirming now If sena send its own groups... something they didnt expect would be the outcome.
     
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  12. Butter Chicken

    Butter Chicken Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Many muslims,mainly from Bengal,are big supporters of Kashmiris
     
  13. Peacekraft

    Peacekraft BANNED BANNED

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    That never happened. FALSE NEWS!
     
  14. randomradio

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  15. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Did You Know Pakistan Rejected The UN Resolution It Swears By? Doesn't Want A Plebiscite In Kashmir Either
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    Every time the situation is tense in Jammu and Kashmir, without fail Pakistan starts ranting about UN Resolution of 1948, and how Kashmiris should be given the right to exercise self determination through plebiscite. Few know that the very UN resolution Pakistan swears by was out-right rejected by it since it never wanted a plebiscite or self determination for Kashmiris.

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    Ever since Kashmir became a bone of contention between India and Pakistan in 1947, when Pakistan army along with tribesmen attacked Kashmir and India was called to defend it by King Hari Singh, Pakistan had been advocating for plebiscite. But it never clarifies how it is to be achieved. Over the years, Pakistan has been pretending that India didn't abide by the UN Resolution of 1948. In reality it was Pakistan that rejected the UN resolutions 47 of April 1948.

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    What did UN resolution say?
    India went to UN in October 1947 after Indian Army thwarted the combined forces of Pakistan army and tribesmen who attacked Kashmir to capture the valley by force.

    The resolutions proposed four essential steps in sequential order.

    1. According to the first step stipulated in Article 1(a) and (b), Pakistan must withdraw all its forces, including the tribesmen that had invaded the valley and then help creating a homogeneous environment for Kashmiris to express their choice through plebiscite without fear.

    2. Once the first step is done, only then India would reciprocate and take steps to demilitarise the valley to certain levels. Though it allowed India to keep adequate amount of troops stationed in order to maintain law and order and to keep external threats at bay. All this is specified in articles 2(a) to (c).

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    3. After the completion of first two steps, India, with its machinery would then be responsible for conducting free and fair plebiscite under UN supervision in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

    4. Various other steps were outlined in Articles 6 to 15 of the UNSC Resolution. Pakistan was to be given no role in this, since Maharaja Hari Singh had already acceded to India under the terms of the Independence Act.

    Pakistan rejected this. But why?
    Pakistan in April 1948 rejected the UN resolutions because it didn't suit the intentions of Pakistan. Though Pakistan played the Muslim card to legitimise its attempt the seize Kashmir by force, but it wasn't for the benefit of Kashmiris. If it were, Pakistan would have never rejected the UN resolutions which advocated for the free and fair plebiscite.

    Source
     
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