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The Kashmir Conflict

Discussion in 'Internal Affairs' started by desiman, Jun 23, 2010.

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Which solution woud you like ?

Poll closed Apr 24, 2017.
  1. Solution 1

    45.4%
  2. Solution 2

    4.1%
  3. Solution 3

    43.3%
  4. Solution 4

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  5. Solution 5

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  6. Solution 6

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  7. Solution 7

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  1. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Problem is the people who follow them and that's gives them the power. People like them including Arundhati roy, needs just one button click i.e UNFOLLOW, Let them rest in peace in negligence.
     
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  2. Levina

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    If gleaned at you will realise that the women in Indian media are effectively being used for anti-India propaganda, be it Burkha Dutt, Rana Ayub, Arundhati Roy etc etc.
    So when taking on these women, one has to be very careful, or they will be quick to play the victim card. A slow and steady campaign concentrating only on their work (not personal lives) would help. IMO.
     
  3. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Yup, trolling and vicious online misogyny only helps them weasel out by playing the victim card. The best solution is to address their points and clearly expose them, without allowing them any grounds to feign victimhood.
     
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  4. Soumya

    Soumya Major STAR MEMBER

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    Targets selected who are next on the line to meets 72 camels in hell
     
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  5. Grevion

    Grevion Professional Think Troll IDF NewBie

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    Abu Dujana should be the next prime target. A hardcore terrorist from Pakistan he currently leads LET operations in Indian administered Kashmir.
     
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  6. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Kashmir 'human shield' row: Dirty war has to be fought with innovative ways, Army Chief Bipin Rawat says
    PTI | Updated: May 28, 2017, 03.19PM IST

    NEW DELHI: The Indian Army is facing a "dirty war" in Jammu and Kashmir which has to be fought through "innovative" ways, ArmyChief Gen Bipin Rawat has said, stoutly defending the use of a Kashmiri as a 'human shield' by a young officer.

    In an exclusive interaction with PTI, Rawat said the main objective of awarding Major Leetul Gogoi, when a Court of Inquiry was finalising its probe into the incident, was to boost the morale of young officers of the force who are operating in a very difficult environment in the militancy- infested state.

    "This is a proxy war and proxy war is a dirty war. It is played in a dirty way. The rules of engagements are there when the adversary comes face-to-face and fights with you. It is a dirty war.... That is where innovation comes in. You fight a dirty war with innovations," Rawat said.

    The Army Chief's Commendation medal to Gogoi, who had tied a man to an Army jeep and used him as a human shield from stone throwers last month was criticised by human rights activists, Kashmiri groups and by a few retired Army generals. A video of the incident had triggered a row with many condemning it.

    Gogoi was awarded for his sustained efforts in counter- insurgency operations.

    "People are throwing stones at us, people are throwing petrol bombs at us. If my men ask me what do we do, should I say, just wait and die? I will come with a nice coffin with a national flag and I will send your bodies home with honour. Is it what I am supposed to tell them as chief? I have to maintain the morale of my troops who are operating there," Gen Rawat said.

    Talking about the complexity of the security challenge in the state, he suggested it would have been easier for the armed forces if the protesters were firing weapons instead of throwing stones.

    "In fact, I wish these people, instead of throwing stones at us, were firing weapons at us. Then I would have been happy. Then I could do what I (want to do)," he said.

    Gen Rawat, who had served in Jammu and Kashmir extensively, said if people in any country lose fear of the Army, then the country is doomed.

    "Adversaries must be afraid of you and at the same time your people must be afraid of you. We are a friendly Army, but when we are called to restore law and order, people have to be afraid of us," he said.

    At the same time, he asserted that maximum restraint is being maintained while handling the situation in the Valley.

    Gen Rawat said that as the Army chief, it was his duty to lift the morale of the army personnel in Jammu and Kashmir and he did it by awarding Major Gogoi.

    "As Army Chief my concern is morale of the Army. That is my job. I am far away from the battlefield. I cannot influence the situation there. I can only tell the boys that I am with you. I always tell my people, things will go wrong, but if things have gone wrong and you did not have malafide intent, I am there," he said.

    Gen Rawat said there was a ploy to break the trust between various security forces, and Major Gogoi could not have refused to provide security when polling agents had sought security assistance.

    "Tomorrow elections have to be held in Anantnag and similar things may happen. If the army does not respond to call for assistance, then the trust between the people whom we are protecting, police and Army will break.

    "That is something I cannot allow to happen. This is what the militants want. It can create a divide between the army and other security forces," he said.

    The Army Chief said he had a broad idea about what was going on in the Court of Inquiry into the Gogoi incident, and that is why he went ahead with awarding the Major. "I know what is happening in the COI. It is being finalised. What do we punish him for."

    He said armed forces have the right of self defence and Major Gogoi could have opted for firing at the crowd but he chose not to resort to it.

    Farooq Dar, who was tied to the jeep, says he is not a militant or a stone thrower, and was only returning home after casting his vote in the by-election when he was hauled away. He says he still suffers from physical and mental trauma after being paraded on the jeep's bonnet with a sign slung around his neck, warning stone pelters of the consequences.

    The Army Chief said just four districts of south Kashmir were disturbed and it was incorrect to say that entire Kashmir has gone out of control.

    "It will have to be a composite solution. Everybody will have to get involved. Army's role is to ensure that violence does not take place and the common man who is not indulging in this (violence) is protected," he said, when asked about the solution to the Kashmir issue.

    He also emphasised on the need for taking harsh measures to stop infiltration and counter-terrorism.

    The Army Chief also wondered why not much noise was made when young army officer Lt Umar Fayaz was killed by terrorists when he was on leave.

    Asked whether there should be a political initiative to reach out to the Kashmiri people, the Army Chief said it was for the government to decide, adding such initiatives were taken in the past as well.

    "Has political initiative not been taken in the past? What was the result, you had Kargil...," he said.

    To a separate question, the Army Chief said he does not anticipate a "limited war" with Pakistan.

    http://m.timesofindia.com/india/kas...rmy-chief-rawat-says/articleshow/58880274.cms
     
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  7. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Spoken like a Chief of the Indian Army!:biggthumpup:
     
  8. enquencher

    enquencher FULL MEMBER

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    Can anyone give me idea abt the real situation if kashmir.is it really as bad as media shows or something else.m worried for my country my people.
    Had frends in tibetian colony of srinagar...but thise are not contactable since last 10years...
     
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  9. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    It is very bad, we are being killed by 1000s save us!!!:achmed:

    Nope ... a typical day in Kashmir is actually boring!

    There is no 'high action packed' drama or gun battles as one tends to imagine. You may find soldiers completing 10 years of service (three plus tenures) there and never having discharged their weapons in a firefight.:lazy:
    :biggthumpup:
     
  10. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    ‘आने वाले कुछ दिनों में होगा भारत-पाकिस्तान के बीच सीमित गैर-परमाणु युद्ध’

    काटजू ने फेसबुक पर आगे लिखा है कि आतंकवादियों के प्रति इस सहानुभूति से निपटने के लिये सेना या सीआरपीएफ उन कुछ लोगों पर हमला करेंगे जिनपर उन्हें संदेह है कि आतंकवादियों को कुछ मदद या जानकारी दे रहे हैं। इसके परिणामस्वरूप नरसंहार...
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    India TV News Desk [Updated:26 May 2017, 10:21 AM]

    जस्टिस मार्कंडेय काटजू ने अगले कुछ दिनों में भारत-पाकिस्तान के बीच ‘सीमित गैर-परमाणु युद्ध’ होने की भविष्यवाणी की है। फेसबुक पर लिखे अपने पोस्ट में काटजू ने कहा कि कश्मीरी आतंकवादी भारतीय सेना और सीआरपीएफ पर छोटे-छोटे हमले करते रहेंगे जिससे कुछ भारतीय सुरक्षाकर्मी हर बार मारे गए। कश्मीर की आबादी भारत के लिये लगभग पूरी तरह शत्रुतापूर्ण है, और इसलिए आतंकवादियों के प्रति सहानुभूति रखते हैं। इसी वजह से कश्मीरी जनता आतंकवादियों को आश्रय, भोजन और सूचना देती रहती है। ये भी पढ़ें: PM मोदी ने बताया क्यों नहीं पहनते मुसलमानों की टोपी, वायरल हो रहा है वीडियो


    काटजू ने फेसबुक पर आगे लिखा है कि आतंकवादियों के प्रति इस सहानुभूति से निपटने के लिये सेना या सीआरपीएफ उन कुछ लोगों पर हमला करेंगे जिनपर उन्हें संदेह है कि आतंकवादियों को कुछ मदद या जानकारी दे रहे हैं। इसके परिणामस्वरूप नरसंहार की घटनाएं बढ़ेगी जैसा कि वियतनाम में हुआ था। इस कारण भारतीय सुरक्षा बलों और कश्मीरी जनता के बीच दुश्मनी बढ़ती जाएगी और अधिक गैर-लड़ाके आतंकवाद अपनाते जाएंगे।

    एक समय आ जाएगा जब एक टेट-प्रकार आक्रामक, जैसा कि वियतनाम में जनवरी 1 9 68 में हुआ था, के रुप में हमारे सैनिकों पर कश्मीरी आतंकवादियों द्वारा शुरू किया जा सकता है जिसमें यदि हज़ारों नहीं तो सैकड़ों की संख्या में लोग हताहत होंगे और संभवत: भारतीय सेना आतंकवादियों के शिविरों को नष्ट करने के बहाने LoC को पार करेगी लेकिन इस बार पाकिस्तानी सेना के तैयार रहने की वजह से 'सर्जिकल स्ट्राइक' संभव नहीं हो पायेगा जिसका मतलब होगा एक सीमित युद्ध है।

    कुछ समय बाद संयुक्त राष्ट्र सुरक्षा परिषद युद्ध विराम की मांग करेगी, लेकिन उस समय तक दोनों पक्षों के हजारों सैनिक मारे जा चुके होंगे। इस युद्ध के नतीजे का उपमहाद्वीप में लंबे समय तक असर रहेगा।
    http://www.khabarindiatv.com/india/...ser-to-us-says-justice-markandey-katju-517667
     
  11. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    He is a nut case
     
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    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Translation?
     
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    The igentleman is claiming a limited war between India and Pakistan is on the horizon .
     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    They (IA) did it again..........:dance3::dance3::dance3::dance3:



     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Meanwhile Pak Army Already in Denial mode: Covering Up Casualties by Saying it was IED blast. :facepalm:



    IED blast along LoC leaves four injured

    Pakistan
    by Haider Ali Sindhu | Published on May 29, 2017
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    JHELUM – At least four people were injured in a blast after their vehicle ran over an improvised explosive device along the Line of Control (LoC) in Azad Jammu and Kashmir late Sunday night.

    According to deputy commissioner Jhelum Valley Abdul Hamid Kiani, the public transport vehicle was passing through the Khilana area when the IED went off at about 9:30pm.

    “While heading towards his last destination, the driver spotted rocks in the middle of the narrow road and as he tried to pass his vehicle from the edge of the road it hit and triggered an IED explosion,” Kiani told Dawn.

    “As a result, the driver and three passengers were injured,” he added.

    The injured persons were identified as driver Iram Abbas (a resident of Muzaffarabad), Mukhtiar Ahmed, Changaz Latif and Rehmat Hussain (residents of Khilana area).

    They were shifted to a Muzaffarabad hospital and were said to be out of danger.

    The Khilana area straddles the restive Line of Control and is located in Chakothi sector of Jhelum Valley district. The area is vulnerable to Indian army posts.

    https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/ied-blast-along-loc-leaves-four-injured/
     
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