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THE TRAGEDY OF TEJAS

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by OverLoad, Apr 1, 2017.

  1. Veeran

    Veeran BANNED BANNED

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    That was a long post. I wonder if you Indian living in America or an actual white American??

    Well we are removing the old false British Bastards guard (Congress party) from power. It'll take some time.

    Manufacturing native and indigenous components is being favored. We had the ability before also, but Congress party didn't want anythign amde in India because they wouldn't get corruption money. Now Indian equipment is being favored.
     
  2. PeegooFeng41

    PeegooFeng41 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I was comparing Tejas with Rafale sometimes back and here is the comparison in terms of platform only...

    1. Rafale started out in 1978-79 with requirement of consolidating French air force around limited number of platforms -- hence omni-role -- and after France's breaking off from Euro-jet program.
    2. First flight in in 1986.
    3. Introduced in 2001-03.
    4. From there on it was developed and enhanced.

    Now Tejas.

    1. Need was felt in 1960 for a supersonic indigenous plane with needed engines imported --which is what ailed HF-Marut.
    2. No engine could be procured or found. No one was ready to sell their engines to India for building the craft.
    3. In 1980 or so, it was thought that India will build a completely indigenous platform with five critical technologies to be Indian. Those were the state of the art at that time.
    a. Fully glass cockpit.
    b. Fully digital Fly by wire control laws.
    c. An MMR Radar.
    d. An after burning, flat rated engine to power the super sonic plane.
    e. Carbon composite wings and a RSS airframe.​

    Out of these five, three were resounding success: Glass cockpit, Carbon composite wings and RSS airframe and Fully digital FBW flight control system.
    Engine was partially successful, we have a FDEAC engine design with bugs and underpowered.
    MMR was a total failure.

    Rest a number of technologies were to be acquired from foreign vendors in the original plan but a number of them were acquired locally due to embargoes after 1998.

    Now coming to timeline.

    Requirements for Tejas frozen by 1986 and then changed again in 1991 or so.
    First flight by 2001. Total 15 years
    Introduction by 2015, in IOC standard. Total 14 years

    Comparing with Tejas, it took Rafale 7 to 8 years to go from Design to First flight and 15-16 years to move from First flight to introduction.

    With all of this, it is clear that Tejas has marginally under-delivered as a development effort. Where India is failing is mass production of the aircraft. HAL needs some competition.
     
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  3. PeegooFeng41

    PeegooFeng41 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    It is not jealousy, it is a cultural difference. In China, as far as I know, learning from others by imitating what they are doing is considered acceptable. In west, especially in USA, copying or imitating others is considered wrong. West takes intellectual property far too seriously.

    China indeed benefitted immensely by learning from what Russia and USA were doing for their defense needs and technologies. Nothing wrong in it per-say.

    India on the other hand sought approval of the world or rather western world. So India refrained from copying or reverse engineering western technologies. India circumvented some of the barriers put forward by the west. Chief among that are digital FWB, carbon composite body, Indian space launch vehicles and cryogenic engine for upper atmospheric stage, Indian effort on thorium nuclear reactors.
     
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  4. stephen cohen

    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Rafale is the Next Generation Plane developed from Mirage 2000

    Even Mirage 2000 has several variants such as Mirage 2000 ; 2000-5; 2000-9

    And Before Mirage 2000 there were Mirage 3 and Mirage 5

    Whereas Indians went from First Generation to Fourth Generation planes

    All these delays were part of the Steep Learning curve

    Comparing Rafale and Tejas is like comparing
    Afghanistan CRICKET team with Indian Team

    I mean ; The Afghans have just started to play cricket :cheesy:
     
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  5. zebra7

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    I wonder if Ministry of Defence is reading this forum because this is exactly how they are proceeding
     

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