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Top 10 Historical Blunders by Pakistan - Najam Sethi

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  1. abirbec04

    abirbec04 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Worth a watch ... great insight into the "Land of the Pure". :lol:
     
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    midgetman 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    im sorry.. i cant sit through 40 minutes of zaid hamid's Bull, can you just paraphrase what he said?
     
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    abirbec04 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    It isn't Zaid Hamid's bull. The video is an one-on-one with noted Journalist Najam Sethi. The name Zaid Hamid is posted on the video just to make fun of his views vis-a-vis the truth as told by Mr. Sethi. :lol:
     
  4. A haseeb A

    A haseeb A Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    I'll give a summary of the video,since it is too long to watch....

    The 10 Historical blunders by Pakistan

    1. Alliance with US


    In early 1954,Pakistan decided to side with US in the cold war and signed several defence pacts later with US,willing to be an American ally in the cold war.

    Consequences:
    1. Dependence on US for military,industrial and economical development.
    2. Military got unnecessary importance in Pakistani society.
    3. The decision was undemocratic in nature,paving way for further undemocratic decisions.

    2. The Law of Necessity

    In 1954,the constituent assembly was dissolved by the Governor General.Its head appealed in Sindh High-court,which favored him and restored the Constituent Assembly.On this,the Governor General appealed in Federal Court,whose head Justice Munir Ahmed decided in GG's favor and justified the act of GG by introducing the "Law of Necessity".

    Consequences:
    This law justified all military take overs in Pakistani history,in fact,laying out an easy path for them.

    3. Declaring East Pakistan as one unit:

    In 1955,the PM Mohammad Ali Bogra made two units of whole Pakistan,east and west.It was further strengthened by Gen Ayub Khan.

    Consequences:
    Because of this decision,the people of other communities came under rule of the center,in most cases,Punjabis.It sew the first seeds of separation in East Pakistan and Baluchistan.This centralizing tendencies have since then supported Provincialism and Parochialism.

    4. Not accepting the mandate of East Pakistanis and Military action in East Pakistan

    As a result of 1970 elections,held by Gen Yahya Khan,Mujib-ur-Rehman gained majority in East Pakistan.The civil-military bureaucracy including Gen Yahya and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,refuse to accept this and tried to suppress him and the demand of East Pakistanis by military action.

    Consequences:
    This decision paved way for the separation of East Pakistan.

    5. The judicial murder of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto

    The Supreme court of Pakistan,with the assistance of Gen Zia-ul-Haq and local politicians,announced death penalty for Bhutto i the hearing for a murder case.

    Consequences:
    1. The "martyrdom politics" started in Pakistan.Pakistan Peoples Party started gaining the support of people not because of their works,but because their leaders (Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto) were assassinated.
    2. The "political Dynasties" rose in Pakistan.We can see the politics of Bhutto family,Sharif family,Chaudhary family,Maulana family,Khan family etc.In short,politics became politics for certain families.

    6. The starting of civil war in Afghanistan

    When Soviet Union intervened in Afghanistan,the Americans urged Pakistan to start an organized civil war aka Jihad.In return,we received Military and Financial aid.

    Consequences:
    1. The democracy did not prevail,Gen Zia retained power, with US help,for 9 years despite that he had announced elections in 90 days.
    2. The financial aid only went to the ruling class,thus depriving the common people.
    3. In order to cover up his undemocratic act and decision,Zia introduced false Islamization in Pakistan.Kalashnikov culture,Drug culture and Sectarianism are the direct consequences which we are facing today.

    7. The Kargil Misadventure

    The Kargil assault was a military blunder,whose example we cannot find in the last 10-15 yrs.

    Consequences:
    1. This event created vast differences b/w civil politicians (Sharif) and Army (Musharraf).
    2.It resulted into the fourth Martial Law by Gen MUsharraf,but it was inevitable.
    3. It hampered the peace talks with India.
    4. Once gain,US was referred for support and dependence.

    8. Decisions taken post-9/11 incidents

    1. The US threat "are you with us or against us?" was heavily misinterpreted by the leadership.The leadership decided to favor US but for their (Pakistan's) gain,not for solving problem of US.Behind the curtains,the leadership decided not give US any efficient favor and solution,rather to involve them in this mess,as they did with USSR.
    2. The military decided not to pressurize Mullah Omar to hand over Osama Bin Laden,rather told him to keep OBL.

    Consequences:
    1. US intervened militarily.
    2. An alliance was made with US against Taliban and Al Qaeda.
    3. This War on Terror resulted in death of 35,000 Pakistani civilians,4,000 military personnel,a setback of $65 Billion to Pakistani economy and $10 Billion to Pakistan Military.

    9. The dismissal of Chief Justice by Gen Musharraf

    The suppression of the effort to recover an Independent Judiciary was another blunder.

    Consequences:
    1.This decision resulted into destabilization of the country for 3 years.
    2. Peace talks with India derailed.
    3. Solution of Kashmir Issue was delayed way beyond.
    4. After the departure of Musharraf,NRO was introduced which,in turn,introduced corrupt politics.

    10. Asif Ali Zardari's decision to become President

    Consequences;
    1. The re-appointment of Chief Justice was delayed too much.
    2. The alliance with Nawaz Sharif was brken,which could lead the country out of the crisis.
    3. The "political orphans" gained importance.
    4. Dependent and suppressible Election Commission and NAB were formed.
    5. NRO was effectively implemented,bringing out corrupt politicians.
    6. Destabilization is again being sensed.
     
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  5. GUNS-N- ROSES

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    u can add support to afghan taliban in this list.
     
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    A haseeb A Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    I did...point 6 and 8...its all in the video,I just wrote it down...
     
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    Optimist Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    I dont understand this guy, he talks sense.......but he's a Pakistani too sweet towards India?!
     
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    A haseeb A Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    No,he is not....he just wants peace....so do most of us.

    I like this program,they expose things in an informal and simple manner (without inviting any guests)
     
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  9. Optimist

    Optimist Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    But how many watch it? Only "hate India/Indians" shows are the most watched i believe!
     
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    A haseeb A Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Actually that is not the case...nowadays,no channel hosts anti-India programs (except Zaid Hamid shows)....the general population loves to watch the talk shows where politicians fight with each other...

    This show "apas ki baat" has gained a bit popularity...
     
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    well i like your frankness and even in India the same happens (about the politicians hitting at each other in debates.)
     
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    A haseeb A Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    I hate these kind of shows....in the end,nobody agrees with anyone...no solution...

    But they sure do expose some politicians..
     
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    kamle 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    no one agrees but definitely the host gives a conclusion which is actually unbiased(generally if that channel is not owned by a political group).
     
  14. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I've been trying to tell the same story, Pakistani society is changing, views on India are too.
     
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    The more rational people like Najam Sethi on both sides educate the public, saner politics will prevail in the region. Pakistan allowed itself to be a pawn of great powers, which ultimately cost it very much. If it had been non-aligned it would have emerged as a modern, progressive, moderate, secular nation, which was the dream of Jinnah. There is time now also to move out of its India fixation and focus on rebuilding the nation.
     
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