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Transport Aircrafts of IAF - C-130J, C-17 Globemaster, C295: Updates & Discussions

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  1. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Did IAF’s ‘US-made’ C-130J Super Hercules that crashed have fake Chinese parts?
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    India’s newly-acquired American C-130J Super Hercules plane that crashed last week near Gwalior has been under intense scrutiny in the United States and Canada after a Senate investigation concluded that counterfeit parts in the aircraft’s display systems could cause it to “lose data or even go blank altogether” in midflight, with potentially catastrophic consequences.

    A 2011-2012 investigation by the US Senate armed services committee eventually traced the counterfeit electronic parts used in the C-130J, C-27J, and many other US military systems to a company in Shenzhen, China, called Hong Dark Electronic Trade Company. Hong Dark sold the parts at issue to Global IC Trading Group, an independent distributor in the US, which in turn sold it to L-3 Communications Display Systems, which in turn supplied it to Lockheed Martin, the US military’s prime contractor for the C-130J.

    Amid scathing observations by the Senate panel, the US air force suspended and banned Hong Dark in 2012 from competing for government contracts and subcontracts, but testimony before the armed services committee showed stunning lapses in the supply chain and procurement procedures for the military systems, including the C-130J Super Hercules, six of which New Delhi contracted to buy in 2010 for $1.1 billion, around Rs 1000 crores apiece.

    India has plans to buys six more to augment its transport fleet with the much-acclaimed aircraft, which has won plaudits for its safety record and its versatility. The acquisition enables the Indian military to put boots and supplies on the ground in remote and inhospitable terrain, giving it matchless reach in the region.

    However, the aircraft display systems itself will now come under scrutiny — if it already hadn’t been under the scanner — although the cause of the Gwalior crash is yet to be determined. The US Senate committee report is withering in its observations not only about US procurement and supply chain system, but also the casual manner in which private contractors treated the issue once the counterfeit parts were detected.

    The story begins in November 2010 when L-3 Display Systems detected that the company’s in-house failure rate for a chip installed on display units used in C-130J and C-27J had more than tripled from 8.5 per cent to 27 per cent. L-3 also noticed that the same part had previously failed on a fielded military plane. The company sent the chips for testing, which resulted in identification of “multiple abnormalities,” with the tester concluding that the parts were “suspect counterfeit.”

    “Failure of the memory chip could cause a display unit to show a degraded image, lose data, or even go black altogether,” the Senate report said, noting that “unfortunately, L-3 Display Systems had already installed parts from the suspect lot on more than 400 of its display units,” including those intended for the C-27J, as well as the C-130J.

    In effect, what the IAF’s court of inquiry will need to look at is whether India received any of the contaminated display units in the six C-130J it bought from the US, and if it did, whether the US, including Lockheed Martin, alerted IAF to it. India’s own procurement process, including whether the buyer tracked and followed up the troubles associated with the C-130J, including the Senate’s investigation, will also have to be reviewed.

    At least in Canada, another C-130J customer, a CBC investigation in early 2013 highlighted the troubles with the aircraft’s instrument panel, although the government there glossed over the issue initially.

    But the Senate investigation offers a disturbing picture of people up the supply chain not particularly alarmed at the contamination of crucial display systems with counterfeit parts. According to the senate report (page 35), following the detection of the fakes, L-3 Display Systems on November 4, 2010, issued a part purge notification, quarantining the company’s own stock of the suspect memory chips.

    It did not, however, recommend to its customer that assemblies affected by the suspect counterfeit chips be returned for replacement of those chips. As a result, hundreds of display units intended for and installed on C-130Js and C-27Js included the suspect counterfeit memory chip, well after its discovery by L-3 Display Systems.

    Lockheed Martin, the US military’s prime contractor for the C-130J, does not cover itself with glory either in the episode. The Senate report notes that when L-3 notified Lockheed of the problem, Lockheed engineers discussed the matter internally and decided “no action” was necessary and the display units did not need to be returned for repair. Lockheed Martin also “did not formally notify the Air Force of the suspect counterfeit chip in the C-130J.”

    According to Senate investigators, while Lockheed Martin told the Air Force that the suspect counterfeit parts were “functionally complaint” to authentic genuine parts, the Air Force was apparently not informed that the failure rate of the part had tripled during acceptance and environmental stress testing.

    The Senate report concluded that since its investigation, hearing and public release of information about the counterfeit chips, the US Air Force had reported that they are aggressively taking action to remove the parts in question, audit the supply chains etc. But as of March 2012, the report noted, Lockheed Martin had removed and replaced only a handful of the display units in the C-130J that are affected by the suspect counterfeit memory chip.

    The worrying part for Indian defense planners is that the Senate panel talks of several other US military platforms, such as Boeing’s P8A-Poseidon — a custom-made variant of which has been supplied to the Indian Navy — being contaminated with counterfeit Chinese parts.

    According to the US air force, “approximately 84,000 suspect counterfeit electronic parts purchased from Hong Dark entered the DoD supply chain, and many of these parts have been installed on DoD aircraft.”
     
  2. layman

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    C-130J Hercules crash and navy submarine disasters highlight need for radical defence reforms

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    The crash of a recently acquired C-130J ‘Super Hercules’ transport aircraft in the Chambal region — killing all five personnel on board — adds to growing worry over India’s alarming loss of military hardware during peace time. That the C-130J has the best safety record among military planes worldwide makes the accident even more baffling. While only a thorough probe into the incident can ascertain reasons behind the crash, scrutiny of maintenance and handling procedures is urgently necessary. Over the years, the IAF has lost too many servicemen and aircraft to such mishaps. Unless rectified forthwith, the problem poses a serious threat to the country’s defence preparedness.

    Nor is the issue specific to IAF. The C-130J crash comes on the back of a series of accidents in the navy — starting with the INS Sindhurakshak explosion in August last year to the INS Sindhuratna mishap in February — that forced navy chief D K Joshi to resign. In fact, with several of India’s submarines being phased out, the navy’s undersea capabilities are slated to hit a historic low by 2015. At the same time, the army is faced with a major shortage of ammunitions. Along with deficiencies in defence equipment maintenance, glaring gaps in provisioning basic military hardware point to poor planning and procurement policies.

    A combination of complacency, corruption and lack of effective leadership has brought things to such a pass. That the navy remains without a chief even a month after the incumbent stepped down points to serious procedural lacunae. Meanwhile, defence procurement clearly hasn’t kept pace with needs and operational requirements of Indian armed forces. Whether it is foreign defence acquisitions, technology transfers or indigenous defence development through agencies such as DRDO, delivery and induction of critical military hardware continue to lag behind.

    It’s apparent that alongside economic, judicial and police reforms, defence reforms must be prominent on the plate of the next elected government. DRDO’s poor record makes the Indian military almost completely dependent on foreign suppliers. This situation can be addressed by giving the private sector a large role in the development and production of defence equipment. Introducing competition in the defence field would induce DRDO, too, to perform better. To prevent planes from falling out of the skies and ships from sinking, alongside drastically overhauling procedures for maintaining high-end defence equipment, contracts for doing so should be judiciously outsourced to the private sector
     
  3. layman

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    IAF asks Lockheed Martin assistance in probing the C-130J crash

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    India has turned to the US to help establish the cause of the crash of a recently acquired C-130J Super Hercules transport aircraft that ploughed into a hillock in Rajasthan, killing all five crew members on board and jolting the IAF.

    Besides sending the aircraft’s black box or flight data recorder to the US to decode its contents, the Indian Air Force has sent a request for assistance in probing the crash through the Office of Defense Coordination at the US Embassy in Delhi.

    Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of the aircraft, has been contacted by the Office of Defense Coordination to help in the investigation, sources familiar with the probe told Mail Today.

    A team of experts from both Lockheed Martin and the US Air Force is expected to assist in the matter, they said.

    “Both the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) have been sent to the US. Help has been sought for data retrieval because they were both slightly damaged. The IAF did not want to take the chance of losing any of the contents,” an IAF spokesperson said.#

    Sources said the decision to send the components to the US was made because the connectors of the CVR and black box were damaged. The CVR has a recording of the last 30 minutes of the cockpit conversation while FDR has the complete flight profile.

    Every squadron routinely checks FDRs to get data on performance of the aircraft and serviceability of equipment is maintained at a high level, the sources said.

    Sources acknowledged that they were puzzled by the crash as the crew of the ill-fated aircraft included the most experienced pilots of the Hindon-based “Veiled Vipers” squadron that operates the C-130Js, which were acquired at a cost of over Rs 950 crore each.

    Wing Commander Prashant Joshi, one of the crew members killed in Friday’s incident, was the squadron’s flight commander and was slated to take over the unit.

    “These weren’t rookies. Besides, the Super Hercules has a better flight safety record than some commercial aircraft,” a source said.

    Sources said investigators were also looking at recent crashes involving the C-130J, including accidents in Italy (2009), Morocco (2011) and Norway (2012). The crash in Morocco, which was that country’s worst military aviation disaster, occurred when the C-130J hit a mountain in terrain similar to that in Karauli district of Rajasthan.

    The sources acknowledged it was also important to quickly establish the cause of the crash so that it did not affect the routine operations of an important unit like the C-130J squadron.

    “A fighter squadron has more aircraft and more personnel. Though the loss of even a single pilot is regrettable, a crash in a smaller outfit like the Veiled Vipers, and one involving such senior pilots, could have a greater impact,” a source said.

    In its short existence of three years, the C-130J squadron has accomplished some of the most astonishing tasks like landing on the world’s highest airstrip at Daulat Beg Oldie in Ladakh and operating from an unused airfield at Dharasu high in the mountains of Uttarakhand.

    Its latest mission was sorties of over eight hours to locate the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370.
     
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    Government Must Own Up to Loopholes in Air Force

    SOURCE: The New Indian Express

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    In a major setback to the Indian Air Force, a newly-acquired US-made C-130J transport aircraft crashed on Friday near Gwalior after taking off from Agra air base, killing five crew members, including four officers. The aircraft was on a tactical training mission. While the IAF has initiated a high-level probe into the crash, the fact that there has been a significant rise in IAF plane crashes– over a dozen during February 2013—should be a cause of concern for the government. More than half the MiG fleet of 872 aircraft had been lost to crashes in four decades when they were the backbone of the IAF. The crashes had taken the toll of 171 pilots, the defence minister had told Parliament in 2012. As for the latest crash, the aircraft, made by Lockheed Martin Corp, was one of six bought for the air force at a cost of $962 million in 2011.

    The accident speaks poorly of the infrastructure of the defence forces as there have been many accidents in the Navy too. Last month, the navy chief had resigned, taking moral responsibility for a series of submarine mishaps. It is all too easy to blame pilots for the alarming level of accidents suffered by IAF aircraft but there is a huge problem of delays in getting replacement for aging planes. The IAF now has 34 squadrons that will dip to 31 as against the desired levels of 42 by 2027. The parliamentary standing committee took note of the shortages recently, highlighting that the MiG fleet was over-stretched.

    Instead of making officers scapegoats for such accidents as the air force crash near Gwalior, the government must own up responsibility for modernising the armed forces and acquiring new aircraft and ships with due diligence and care. There can be no escape from acquisition of essential hardware and their proper upkeep. Yet, if it is true that human skills are at the root of so many accidents, there is surely something lacking in the training of our pilots which needs to be remedied.
     
  5. halloweene

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    CISMOA is a trap and INDIA SHOULD NEVER SIGN IT> E ARE NOT Pakistan or Japan. The equipment not installed is not something which we require are already does not have
     
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    If Chinese bogus parts are supplied through the Canadian company by the USA, then It is the USA which is the culprit .
     
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    ‘Wake turbulence’ led to C-130 J aircraft crash

    The shocking crash last month of the IAF’s special operations C-130 J aircraft is believed to have been caused by the transporter inadvertently flying into the wake of the lead plane during the tactical training mission, leading to a loss of control at low altitude and the accident that killed all five crew members.

    Preliminary findings of the detailed inquiry under way point to a “wake turbulence” incident in which the C-130 J, which was part of a two-aircraft formation practising insertion of paratroopers, stalled at a low level after hitting the wake of the lead aircraft.

    The findings have ruled out any technical fault and suggested that the aircraft failed to adopt a flight path to avoid the massive wake generated by the four engines of the lead C-130 J. An error of judgement by the pilot could have contributed to the incident, the findings suggest.

    The probability of such a loss of control is particularly high when heavy aircraft are conducting manoeuvres close to the ground. In this case, both aircraft were flying at 300 feet above ground level and had to climb to 1,000 feet when the accident occurred.

    While the lead aircraft of the formation successfully climbed to 1,000 feet after the simulated “drop”, the second aircraft crashed into a river bed without any warning or distress signal.

    This, sources said, suggests a sudden, drastic loss of control due to the turbulence generated by the lead C-130 J and is being corroborated by the air crash investigators with data from the flight recorders.

    Once the inquiry findings are finalised, new safety directives are likely to be generated within the air force to avoid such accidents. The air force had also sought the help of the manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, to decipher the voice recorder as well as the flight data recorder.

    The loss of the air force’s most modern special operations C-130 J aircraft on March 28 was particularly shocking given that the plane had been inducted into the air force in 2010 and was commanded by Wing Commander Prashant Joshi, an experienced pilot and the second in command of the 77 ‘Veiled Vipers’ squadron.

    Hours after taking off as part of a two-aircraft formation from Agra to carry out low-level flying training, the aircraft had apparently grazed a hillock before crashing 116 km west of Gwalior on the Rajasthan-Madhya Pradesh border.

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    If you read my posts in the other thread regarding this crash, I had stated that it must have been a low level insertion excercise. Normally, when the lead aircraft pulls up, the trailing ac pulls up with it so that maintaining visual contact with eachother, they can climb out of the wake of lead ac. The trailing ac is reqd to fly about 1000 ft behind and 100ft above the lead ac to ensure that when paratroopers jump from the lead ac, they do not get into the propellers of the trailing ac. in this case it appears that the trailing ac pulled up a bit late and got into the wake of the lead ac and this probably happened at a very low altitude.
     
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    can C 17 be used for awacs or AEW ?
     
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    AWACS and AEW are the same thing. AEW is the correct technical term while AWACS is a name for the US E-3 Sentry AEW aircraft.

    About your question, yes it can be if modified, but no such modification package exists therefore it cannot be used as AEW platform.
     
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    IAF Day rehearsal, Hindon AFB Ghaziabad

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    Fly-by with Su-30MKIs, Hindon AFB Ghaziabad
     
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    Senior Scout system for IAF C-130J Explained

    India and US after renewed and enhanced Defense Framework Agreement have agreed to work on Joint development and Production of four key defense Projects and one of them is to enhance Indian air forces C-130J with specialized electronic intelligence kits called as “Senior Scout ” which is a Intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) system.

    Senior Scout, a pallet mounted communications and electronic intelligence system, built into a trailer-like container that can be rolled on and off C-130 aircrafts. Senior Scout container also accommodates operators who collect SIGINT (signals intelligence), ELINT (electronic intelligence) and COMINT (communications intelligence).

    While Senior Scout system is a plug and use system, IAF’s C-130J will require some minor level of permanent modification to integrate antenna arrays which will be clipped onto the tail, paratroop doors, and main landing gear doors of C-130J aircrafts .

    Intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) system can configure standard C-130 aircraft for tactical signals intelligence, providing capabilities that exploit, geo-locate and report communications intelligence and signals of interest to the air and ground component commanders. Permanent modification required on aircraft is not time-consuming and can we completed in a weeks time in each aircraft according to Lockheed Martin and can be carried out at base level in India itself.

    First Senior Scout system was fielded and was used in Operation Desert Storm in 1991. latest Senior Scout shelter has been enhanced to be structurally compatible with the newest C-130J aircrafts operated by IAF and System interfaces too were updated lately.

    Senior Scout fills a distinct gap in Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) with its capability to exploit a growing number of low power tactical targets challenging India’s intelligence efforts. It provides near-real-time signal intelligence to war fighters operating in area and ground forces.

    Senior Scout system for IAF C-130J Explained | idrw.org
     

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