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Transport/Special Mission Helicopters of IAF - CH-47F Chinook, Mi-17v-5, Dhruv ALH etc.

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Gessler, Sep 3, 2017.

  1. Gessler

    Gessler Mod MODERATOR

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    We have a dedicated sticky thread for Attack Helicopters, now we have one for Transport helos as well - post all news & discussions regarding the existing Mi-17, Mi-26, Dhruv, AW-101, Chetak, Cheetah (and variants) as well as upcoming acquisitions like the CH-47F Chinook here.

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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Boeing marketing though. :wink:
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Chinooks are a freak helicopter. They're going to last a century.
     
  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Has anybody reliable sources for the numbers of Mi 8 and Mi 17 in service or on order?
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Russian Helicopters, part of State Corporation Rostec, delivered the final batch of helicopters to India under a previously signed agreement. India received 151 Mi-17V-5 military transport helicopters produced by JSC Kazan Helicopters through Rosoboronexport.

    http://www.russianhelicopters.aero/en/press/news/russian_helicopters_delivers_151_helicopters/

    All orders fulfilled.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Wasn't there talk of ordering another 50+ V5s? There are/were close to 250 legacy Mi-8/17 in service so the V5 orders are not enough. I assume as the "newer" Mi-17s come to the end of their lives more batch orders for V5s will be placed.


    A HUGE opportunity thrown away here, 150-200 V5s being shipped entirely from Russia with ZERO local production, how often do these kind of quantities exist? India could've got itself into the global Mi-8/17 supply chain, created a nice ecosystem for itself and even explored 3rd party exports but instead, 100% off the shelf orders.

    Only today is "Make in India" being discussed in the mainstream but where was the effort when the V5 orders were being considered? The batch orders make me VERY suspicious, 50-70 unit orders placed within a few months of one another (not the years and years gap one normally sees) almost as if to slide this under the radar; a 150 unit order in one go would have been a large news item and would likely have raised questions as to why no local production was part of the deal (this was during the same period MMRCA was playing out) but instead the second batch was stated to be a "follow on" to the first deal which seems far more palatable.

    Look at every large(ish) deal since- make in India has been a factor but this deal remains an anomoly despite being one of the largest (in sheer volume) in recent times.

    Somehow India keeps missing these critical opportunities. @Gessler @Agent_47 @PARIKRAMA @Levina


    Thankfully the IMRH will (hopefully) address this nonsense once and for all and close another area where Indians can be hoodwinked and robbed by foreign OEMs (particuarly the Russians).
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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  12. Hellfire

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    LOL.

    Ka-226 were always a no go. With LUH coming in, I do not understand why the Ka-226 was being pushed forward by GoI? Yes we have a requirement of a Light Heli, and LUH fits the bill!

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    Normally I am out with guns after DPSUs, but am impressed by HAL's Helicopters .. there have been teething problem, but that is normal with any system introduced. Let's hope HAL is able to get it's act together on this.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    My thoughts exactly, it has always struck me as odd how the GoI pushed for the Ka-226. It has been speculated this was part of a secret payment to the Russians for strategic TOT.
     
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    Could have been. I am sure LUH will do well, HAL has proven itself at least in the rotary wing segment.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    HAL LUH has VERY good prospects IMHO, I have little doubt in my mind that it will be another succes story for the services and HAL. It is really going to prove a game changer in the heights of Siachin and the NE where the Cheetahs are currently limping along.
     
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