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TRISHUL: LCA-AF Mk.2 Can Still Become A Reality. Here's How:

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Gessler, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    This is democracy anyone can say anything, but IAF is pretty much involved in the LCA project, but their is lack of coordination and collective effort between ADA, HAL, IAF, and MOD and I will be positively hope that by this year end some concrete and Big decision would be taken wrt to the LCA. What is bothering and confusing me is the numbers of the GE F404IN20 and GE F414 IN6 engine of which the latter was given 99 units order and 2 sample have already arrived in HAL facility in Banglore. All F404 IN20 engine available in India will be used for the IOC-2 LCA Tejas, and for ordering fresh order the waiting period is 2 years after the purchase order are delivered to GE. Am I missing something.
     
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    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    @Blackjay check my message in you profile. Need your help brother.
     
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  3. Blackjay

    Blackjay Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    Someone on another Indian forum has asked this question at a defence expo, the officer stated that Uttam could fit in Tejas nose without any modification.And all that was for fitting Elta radar.So cooling unit is not a problem IF they can keep the schedule of integrating Uttam from first mk1a.
    Don't think it's possible to integrate jammer and IRST with current size.No nose plug could help that much.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    And there is the main problem, since DRDO and HAL are not working together but against each other (Uttam AESA, DARE EW, Kaveri K10 vs ready and available AESA, EW and engines...).
    Also not the government orders the fighters, but the forces and IAF already made clear that they don't want more MK1s, just as there won't be more NLCAs. MK1A was already a compromise to keep the production line running, but the key will be, when the new version can be certified?

    More orders, no matter of what version, is dependent on the successful development of Tejas. MK1 had too many flaws and IAF still committed for 2 squads years ago and stuck with it. They ordered MK1A based solely on the promises of ADA/DRDO/HAL and it's up to them to deliver now and not take more orders for granted.
     
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    Blackjay Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    Check my reply.....
     
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    Blackjay Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    Agreed.The best possible way is for them to perform now.Fingers crossed and expectations low.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    IAF only asks for a product. And its guaranteed serviceability. The origin doesn't matter.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    I would like IAF to sue HAL for non delivery of 20 FOC aircrafts, and also make HAL pay for the upgrade of 20 IOC2 to MK1A[If that happens].
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    That's what all you will have when defending the non defendable.

    Even PAC is moving better at making fixed wing aircrafts than HAL now.
     
  10. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Yes, it's do or die now for LCA. If they can show MK1A can be delivered in time and according to the development goals, follow orders can be justified, next to MMRCAs and NG fighters.
    If they mess it up once again, 123 might be the end and we will move on with other fighters.
     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Saaf saaf shabdo main kahe to ghooskhori or bribe is demanded. Again a problem with all PiSUs, DPiSUs, government departments.
     
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    Blackjay Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    One part of govt suing the other won't work.Gov will intervene and force both sides to compromise away from public eyes.

    However,has IAF ever sued all those foreign OEMs that have screwed us over the years with their glossy brochures,unfulfilled promises and subpar products???
     
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    Even PAC is moving better at making fixed wing aircrafts than HAL now.[/QUOTE]

    Oh common man, you can read all my post above, and will get the answer. There is no point of discussing same thing again and again.
    Why cursing HAL, when the FOC and SOP-18 is due. Let the process be over, which will allow the HAL to ramp up the production line. Infact IAF could order LIFT based on LCA MK1 trainer version, for the quick pilot flight conversion, and lets focus more on the FOC and the MK1A.
     
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    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    someone asked this question on official tejas page and admin replied that they have adequate numbers of engines for the current order
     
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    How?
    Did they developed any jet till now?

    HAL is also producing Su-30MKI , Hawk, Do-228 with a decent Indigenous content which is missing at your living PAC.

    Made in China and painted in PAKISTAN , can't be compared
     
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